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Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by kcb »

mrweasel wrote: post #93
Veen wrote: post #77

> If you are using CentOS Linux 8 in a production environment, and are concerned that CentOS Stream will not meet your needs, we encourage you to contact Red Hat about options. Not exactly unexpected, but disappointing: if you want to continue using something like CentOS, pay for RHEL. Lots of web hosting providers will be quite concerned.

Why exactly is that disappointing? Isn't it more disappointing that some companies expect to be able to run the same OS for 13 years and get security patches backported for free? I don't think this will hurt RedHat at all. How many RHEL customers are actually generated as a result of providing CentOS for free? Not many I suspect. Those who want to learn about RHEL can still get Fedora, or CentOS Stream, or a RedHat d…

I disagree I think RHEL and CentOS go/went hand in hand. With RHEL being used and licensed depending on the project or the environment. Binary compatibility and the uniformity of managing both being the big selling point.

Now the closest alternative is Canonical with Ubuntu Server which can be installed wherever with no strings and support purchased as required.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by mcclung »

Sounds like CentOS Stream will bring the pain to users and admins. Going forward, the answer to every stability question will be "maybe you should go buy Redhat".

I had a bad feeling about the CentOS project when Redhat became involved as more than an upstream RPM source. I hope CentOS isn't turned into another Fedora.

I'm sure many of you will be happy to tell me that I'm wrong. Please do.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by FeistySkink »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #104
FeistySkink wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extended yes. And has been for years without a single issue. Immediate family all on Fedora. Very little maintenance, automated updates. Desktop software installed through flatpaks. Easy remote management. Users don't care about the OS as long as they know how to open the browser, email, word processor, Skype, Zoom, etc.

Fair enough, was just confirming. It didn't occur to me that flatpaks would probably assist in bridging the gap between a "Workstation" OS and a conventional end-user OS where yum repos and EPEL might be lacking. > Easy remote management. Just out of curiousity, are you SSHing in directly, or installing the Teamviewer RPM on all of them?

Each house has an single always-on VPN client (RPi) to the central server so I ssh in case something is up. Pretty much never happens, but it's good to know the option is there. Most issues are with a specific software and not the OS, so I need to have a visual to help resolve, e.g. "Where is my contact list in Viber?" or "Why do I see this page?".

Plus, I'm running Pi-Hole in docker and I ssh to upgrade it from time to time, (docker pull, docker-compose down/up, etc.). I haven't bothered automating this because some things change between releases and I still end up doing manual configuration changes.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by thesuperbigfrog »

CentOS Stream is RHEL Testing (like Debian Testing).

As stated in https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innova...

"CentOS Stream now sits between the Fedora Project’s operating system innovation and RHEL’s production stability"

So if we compare to Debian, this means:

Fedora Debian unstable (Sid)

CentOS Stream Debian testing (currently Bullseye)

RHEL Debian stable (currently Buster)

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by microtonal »

thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #40

>> CentOS Stream now sits between the Fedora Project’s operating system innovation and RHEL’s production stability So if we compare to Debian, this means: Fedora Debian unstable (Sid) CentOS Stream Debian testing (currently Bullseye) RHEL Debian stable (currently Buster) quote source: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/centos-stream-building-innova... (linked from the article)

So, where does that make Fedora Rawhide fit?

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by jychang »

So basically, instead of CentOS being as stable as RHEL, they're positioning it in between Fedora and RHEL stability. Basically the Debian Testing branch for RHEL.

This is just a rebranding move to push businesses that were using CentOS to actually buy a RHEL license, lol.

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by CameronNemo »

busterarm wrote: post #101
em500 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I share your pessimism about RHEL. I think Canonical could be a big beneficiary, if they can stop shooting themselves in the foot with stuff like upsells for live kernel patches, and snaps for non-desktop apps.

They've basically ceded the entire ecosystem to Canonical with this move and haven't realized it yet. And we're all worse off for it.

What about Debian? SUSE?

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by gmfawcett »

Interesting development.

What's the current difference between RHEL and Oracle Linux? Our institution used to be an RHEL shop, but switched to OL -- I just assumed that RHEL was historical at this point.

[edit -- thanks for the answers. I realize now that my memory failed me... I mis-remembered that Oracle bought RedHat, not IBM.]

Re: CentOS Project shifts focus to CentOS Stream

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Post by dilawar »

qz2 wrote: post #112

The real message is that if you want stability now, you have to pay for it with RHEL.

I was out of the loop when IBM acquired RHEL. IBM strikes again.

I've been experimenting with openSUSE lately. So far so good. Only if zypper can download packages in parallel, I don't have to wait for eons to build images.

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