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Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by selectodude »

Arubis wrote: post #47
liquidise wrote: post #6

> Without Growl I do not know that we would have any sort of decent notification system in OS X They are right to say this, as the current Notifications system in OS X is ripped nearly pixel-for-pixel from Growl's implementation a decade ago. Like Spaces, Quicksilver, Cover Flow and others, Growl paved the way for a lot of the usability enhancements OS X gobbled up in recent years. Apple folks: take note. These are r…

I still have yet to find a satisfactory replacement for Quicksilver. Yes, Alfred and all those exist. They are mere shades by comparison.

Quicksilver was just updated in June.

https://qsapp.com/changelog.php

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by eyelidlessness »

pram wrote: post #75
eyelidlessness wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, everyone is so fucking combative and contrarian the last few days. Chill out, that's not what I was saying.

It seems to be exactly what you're saying?

I was only saying that it seems pretty likely Apple took inspiration from Growl. Not that they didn’t take inspiration from other prior art, or that Growl didn’t either. They’ve taken similar inspiration from other things on their own platform even where there were multiple inspiration sources available. Spotlight took design direction from Quicksilver even though Enso existed. From Mac OS 8 (or was it 9?) through most of the OS X/macOS span, it took inspiration or cues from WindowShade even though a zillion other minimization styles existed. They literally bought CoverFlow even though a ton of other presentational equivalents existed. It’s not that these ideas don’t flow around everywhere. I was just observing that they likely observed what was already at home on their platform.

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by twblalock »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #64
liquidise wrote: post #6

> Without Growl I do not know that we would have any sort of decent notification system in OS X They are right to say this, as the current Notifications system in OS X is ripped nearly pixel-for-pixel from Growl's implementation a decade ago. Like Spaces, Quicksilver, Cover Flow and others, Growl paved the way for a lot of the usability enhancements OS X gobbled up in recent years. Apple folks: take note. These are r…

Hopefully Linux will be the operating system to benefit from increased development. I simply don't understand why developers keep investing their time on platforms that are openly hostile to them. These posts were written decades ago: http://www.paulgraham.com/road.html https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2004/06/13/how-microsoft-lost... > If you want to write desktop software now you do it on Microsoft's terms, calling t…

It's hard to make money building for an OS like Linux whose users expect everything to be free and open source.

If you want to sell software for money, Linux app development is not the right business to be in.

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by mikl »

I’m kinda surprised they kept it going this long, given that pretty much everything moved to Apple’s Notification Center almost immediately after it was released.

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by winter_blue »

liquidise wrote: post #6

> Without Growl I do not know that we would have any sort of decent notification system in OS X They are right to say this, as the current Notifications system in OS X is ripped nearly pixel-for-pixel from Growl's implementation a decade ago. Like Spaces, Quicksilver, Cover Flow and others, Growl paved the way for a lot of the usability enhancements OS X gobbled up in recent years. Apple folks: take note. These are r…

> you might find another OS starts to benefit

I actually really truly hope this happens. I want to see the same sort of love macOS gets from developers, showered on some/any open source OS (e.g. on some Linux/FreeBSD/etc distro).

I've been using Linux for nearly two decades, since I was 12 years old. (I still remember the excitement of installing Linux dual boot on my parents' PC years ago.)

I've been wishing and waiting for the age of the Linux desktop to come. It feels like it's so close, yet so far away.

(I've also been contemplating the benefit of me sinking the time into creating yet-another distro of my own -- one that's a lot different, built upon the features from NixOS and GoboLinux -- a distro that can hopefully be a truly compelling OS to wide range of folks...)

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by cortesoft »

vosper wrote: post #88
cortesoft wrote: post #81

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Oh, it would have made it, they just needed to figure out the best way to charge for it.

Was it ever Apple who charged for tethering? I always thought it was in the hands of the networks and their various plans. Today it seems like it's not even a feature anymore, just something you can do with your phone (or, at least for me it is: I'm on one of the cheapest cellphone plans in my country and tethering just works)

Yes, it is the networks that demand extra payment for tethering. That is still a thing in the US; you have to pay extra for a plan that includes tethering.

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by ChrisGrowl »

crazygringo wrote: post #108
armadsen wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All great design innovations seem dead obvious in hindsight. But they're not.

Huh? Notifications that pop up in the corner aren't a "great design innovation". They are an obvious one. Just because there are some non-obvious great design innovations out there, doesn't mean every little interface component is one. Some things are just the logical solution to a problem.

Growl did more than pop into a corner. :)

Re: Growl in Retirement

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Post by ChrisGrowl »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #58
liquidise wrote: post #6

> Without Growl I do not know that we would have any sort of decent notification system in OS X They are right to say this, as the current Notifications system in OS X is ripped nearly pixel-for-pixel from Growl's implementation a decade ago. Like Spaces, Quicksilver, Cover Flow and others, Growl paved the way for a lot of the usability enhancements OS X gobbled up in recent years. Apple folks: take note. These are r…

Who is shunning developers on the Mac? If anything I think most Mac users lament the dramatic shift toward cross platform/Electron apps.

I hate those apps really. I use them because I need to but they aren’t fun to use.
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