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Re: Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively

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Chromium: + support Handoff macOS -> iOS + text fragment support! [1] + nice plugins and (Brave Browser) nice built-in Ad Blocker + good performance, but - memory & cpu heavy (this counts as 2 minus) - pinned tab can still be closed with `⌘+W` Firefox: + feels smoother and more battery friendly than Chromium based browsers + built-in Picture in Picture - no macOS menu bar function for "Pin Tab", thus making a lot of…

There's an addon for Text Fragment support in Safari and Firefox: https://github.com/GoogleChromeLabs/link-to-text-fragment

If someone sends this link to you, it will open just fine. If you send a link to someone else there's a very high probability they use Chrome. Otherwise, you can recommend them this extension.

It's the first time I heard about this new potentially standard feature, and it's very very useful. Thank you!

Re: Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively

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post #85

Chromium: + support Handoff macOS -> iOS + text fragment support! [1] + nice plugins and (Brave Browser) nice built-in Ad Blocker + good performance, but - memory & cpu heavy (this counts as 2 minus) - pinned tab can still be closed with `⌘+W` Firefox: + feels smoother and more battery friendly than Chromium based browsers + built-in Picture in Picture - no macOS menu bar function for "Pin Tab", thus making a lot of…

Safari:

- Lacking extension support - Difficult to manage tabs compared to FF and Chrome [0]

[0] FF and Chrome allows you to select tabs the same way you select files. Click on individual tabs while holding command to select them or click on one, hold shift, and click on another tab to select all tabs in between. This makes it much easier to move groups of tabs between windows or break a group of tabs out into a new window.

Re: Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively

#113
post #85

Chromium: + support Handoff macOS -> iOS + text fragment support! [1] + nice plugins and (Brave Browser) nice built-in Ad Blocker + good performance, but - memory & cpu heavy (this counts as 2 minus) - pinned tab can still be closed with `⌘+W` Firefox: + feels smoother and more battery friendly than Chromium based browsers + built-in Picture in Picture - no macOS menu bar function for "Pin Tab", thus making a lot of…

There's a vimium plugin for safari, I use it. Called "vimari" https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vimari/id1480933944

I wish safari allowed extensions to rearrange tabs like FF and Chrome. One of the biggest missing features from Vimari imo.

Re: Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively

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post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding Firefox, I'm unsure what you mean by "no macOS menu bar function for Pin Tab", is this something different from right clicking on a tab and selecting Pin Tab? And handoff took its sweet time but it has been supported for a while now between iOS and Firefox on Mac.

in macOS, you can do (1)what you said with a mouse, or you can use keyboard. Either you (2)press `⌘⇧?` and search for any functionality, or you (3)assign your own customized shortcut from System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts.

Ah, I understand, and assigning custom shortcuts is an awesome macOS feature that I don't use nearly enough.

Adding a menu item for "Pin current tab" seems like a pretty straightforward bugzilla request too.

Re: Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively

#115
post #85

Chromium: + support Handoff macOS -> iOS + text fragment support! [1] + nice plugins and (Brave Browser) nice built-in Ad Blocker + good performance, but - memory & cpu heavy (this counts as 2 minus) - pinned tab can still be closed with `⌘+W` Firefox: + feels smoother and more battery friendly than Chromium based browsers + built-in Picture in Picture - no macOS menu bar function for "Pin Tab", thus making a lot of…

Safari 14.0.1 on MacOS "Big Sur" has text fragment support, based on my quick test just now.

Edit: apparently still has failure points; when I added a sample to this post, it failed. Perhaps it's the URL parameter?

But when I linked to a page without a URL parameter, it did work. Ex: https://web.dev/text-fragments/#creating-text-fragment-urls-...

Re: Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively

#116
post #85

Chromium: + support Handoff macOS -> iOS + text fragment support! [1] + nice plugins and (Brave Browser) nice built-in Ad Blocker + good performance, but - memory & cpu heavy (this counts as 2 minus) - pinned tab can still be closed with `⌘+W` Firefox: + feels smoother and more battery friendly than Chromium based browsers + built-in Picture in Picture - no macOS menu bar function for "Pin Tab", thus making a lot of…

For the Safari vim keybinding problem: I am using Vimari, I'm pretty happy with it. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vimari/id1480933944

Re: Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively

#117

What's the difference between this version of Firefox and the version of Firefox that can be installed on an iPad? I have been running Firefox on Apple silicon for some time I thought.

Unless I'm mistaken, the rendering engine on iOS would only be WebKit, and whatever else safari provides. No alternative aloud. So it's ui/features on top of, essentially, Safari not real Firefox.

Gotcha, thanks. Just got the thing so I didn't realize that was the case. I suppose it's not overly surprising, knowing Apple. I doubt they would allow real Firefox on an iPad even though it technically can probably run on it now.

Re: Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively

#118
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The point everyone conveniently seems to miss is a new SoC for mobile devices running at 10-20 watts shouldn't be in the same universe when it comes to performance with any Ryzen desktop processor—but here we are. 10-20 watts is how much desktop processors use for a single thread, so they're not claiming an unfair advantage there. It would be truly impressive if the M1 at that power level was competitive with deskt…

Which are old slower Intel CPUs. Intel's latest is 10th-generation and even those are slower than Ryzen, much less the older 9th-generation ones. And even those older Intel mobile CPUs defeat the M1 on multi-threaded workloads like Cinebench. You seem to be ignoring the benchmarks where the M1 beats the Ryzen 9 5950X on several--but not all--benchmarks. [1] From the article: In SPECint2006, we’re now seeing the M1 cl…

> You seem to be ignoring the benchmarks where the M1 beats the Ryzen 9 5950X on several--but not all--benchmarks.

These are all single-threaded benchmarks. They don't even list the 5950X for the multi-threaded benchmarks because it's not even a comparison -- CineBench R23 MT for the M1 is 7833, the 5950X is 28641.

> And regarding power consumption: While AMD’s Zen3 still holds the leads in several workloads, we need to remind ourselves that this comes at a great cost in power consumption in the +49W range while the Apple M1 here is using 7-8W total device active power.

Which is, again, not surprising, because of the way CPU power curves work. The mobile Ryzen U-series processors have a similar power consumption to the M1. The desktop versions of the same processors are only slightly faster for a single thread but use a lot more power, because that last few hundred MHz is extremely inefficient and has only a marginal performance gain, so you only do that on desktop where power consumption isn't a priority.

A mobile processor being more power efficient than a desktop processor isn't a novelty. A mobile processor having about the same single thread performance as a desktop processor isn't a novelty. These things are par for the course. If they weren't true you aren't even in the game. Desktop processors primarily use their TDP to hold higher clocks even when running many threads.

> at a fraction of the cost

But you're again comparing a 16-core desktop processor to a 4+4 core mobile processor when the desktop processor would embarrass it on anything threaded, which is why it costs more. The lower core count processors have nearly the same single thread performance and cost less than half as much, and the "budget" Zen 3 processors, which should again have similar single thread performance, weren't the first to be released.

> It has to make one wonder what the results will be when Apple ships a processor made for higher-end desktops, where they won't have the thermal and power restrictions of a laptop processor?

It's not hard to infer what would happen. It would have marginally better single thread performance and much better multi-thread performance. Which is what the competing desktop processors already have.

> You know there are prototypes in Apple's lab now that far surpass Ryzen that'll be in machines spring/summer 2021.

But then it'll be competing with Zen 4 on 5nm and Socket AM5 with DDR5 memory. And 5nm and faster memory are two of the obvious reasons that the M1 is competitive as it is.

Re: Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively

#119
post #85

Chromium: + support Handoff macOS -> iOS + text fragment support! [1] + nice plugins and (Brave Browser) nice built-in Ad Blocker + good performance, but - memory & cpu heavy (this counts as 2 minus) - pinned tab can still be closed with `⌘+W` Firefox: + feels smoother and more battery friendly than Chromium based browsers + built-in Picture in Picture - no macOS menu bar function for "Pin Tab", thus making a lot of…

For the Safari vim keybinding problem: I am using Vimari, I'm pretty happy with it. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vimari/id1480933944

Previously, I don't want to use Vimari because I think it only emulate C-n C-p as their j k bindings respectively. The effect of this is, it won't work great on sites that already have their own key handler, such as GitHub.

Today, I tried reinstall Vimari. It is a lot better now! Thank you for indirectly making me reinstall Vimari!

Re: Firefox beta supports Apple silicon natively

#120
post #85

Chromium: + support Handoff macOS -> iOS + text fragment support! [1] + nice plugins and (Brave Browser) nice built-in Ad Blocker + good performance, but - memory & cpu heavy (this counts as 2 minus) - pinned tab can still be closed with `⌘+W` Firefox: + feels smoother and more battery friendly than Chromium based browsers + built-in Picture in Picture - no macOS menu bar function for "Pin Tab", thus making a lot of…

There's a vimium plugin for safari, I use it. Called "vimari" https://apps.apple.com/us/app/vimari/id1480933944

Previously, I don't want to use Vimari because I think it only emulate C-n C-p as their j k bindings respectively. The effect of this is, it won't work great on sites that already have their own key handler, such as GitHub.

Today, I tried reinstall Vimari. It is a lot better now! Thank you for indirectly making me reinstall Vimari!

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