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Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by HarryHirsch »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #98
HarryHirsch wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The persistent underfunding. Everyone who can afford to send their children to private school will do so because OK public schools are plain awful. Of course it's impossible to raise taxes to attract any sort of decent teacher or buy equipment or even paint because it's Oklahoma, no one is using public school anyway, so why fund it. But what's wrong with Catholic school? They have a tradition of being quite secular a…

> But what's wrong with Catholic school? They have a tradition of being quite secular and open to different worldviews. I went to Catholic school, and politically, they certainly seem to be for restricting other people’s freedoms (see abstinence only sex education, gay marriage, and abortion). My whole sex education at the age of 14 or so was a slideshow of genital herpes or sores and “don’t do it”. There’s also the…

At least the official position of the Catholic Church isn't biblical literalism, so you won't get the A-Beka crap. The Presbyterians down here in my village in Alabama inflict the stuff on the poor kids.

I grew up Catholic in a tradition where the social responsibility was taken seriously (also see here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolpingwerk). We didn't have the abstinence-only nonsense either, that must be particular to certain regions in the US. BTW, the Catholic position is that marriage is a sacrament that the couple administers to each other (the only sacrament where a priest is not needed), and, well, sex is complicated, and all sorts of Reddit drama happens when FWBs catch feelings & so on. This was actually how the subject was treated in school.

The recent child abuse revelations are disappointing. I always said that child abuse isn't confined to catholics, but the hierarchy at least provides some oversight that you don't have in megachurches, but it's clear that that did not happen, it was a total failure up to the Pope.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by CameronNemo »

simtel20 wrote: post #68
mjfl wrote: post #61

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if you're getting paid a tech salary to live in Tulsa + $10k who the FUCK cares if a clerk is rude to you? They probably make $2k per month and live in a $500 / month apartment and can't afford to leave, can't afford to fly anywhere. Financial success should give you some fortitude to withstand really minor insults like that.

You don't seem to be understanding that it is clearly not about one clerk. It's about the local consensus results in that clerk feeling entitled to dismiss the GPs wife and family as non-persons, as being lesser than someone born in the USA. This is something they will feel every day at every level if they live there. Having your family members feel dehumanized in every interaction in their daily routines is not wort…

Exactly. Perhaps you and your adult family can tolerate it, but think about being a child raised in such an environment. Being made to think that you are somehow a second class citizen, less than a whole person, or otherwise do not belong. That can create subconscious and ingrained trauma and self-esteem issues.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by throwawaygh »

pqoek wrote: post #54
throwawaygh wrote: post #3

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These programs existed for decades before the pandemic. They never caught on for a very simple reason: CoL is literally the only advantage. $10K is nothing compared to the uphill climb of career progression that inevitably comes with remote work. Hell, $10K literally less than my first relocation package and I was moving a single bedroom. TL;DR: no one moves to SFBA because it's the best CoL vs salary choice, and the…

> non-Catholic private schools what's wrong with public schools?

NOTHING! I LOVE public education.

But...

1. See the part of that comment where Okalahoma can't even keep many of their public schools open 5 days a week. And then guess at the quality of the ones that do stay open...

2. Screw the emotional/psycho-sexual abuse of Catholic schools.

I love the lower midwest, but god... even the "good" school districts in the "wealthy" suburbs are... not great.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by throwawaygh »

nostrademons wrote: post #36
ketamine__ wrote: post #33

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How can Chicago be below Austin? Chicago has Groupon, 1871, and Lightbank. Austin's downtown doesn't even compare to Chicago's downtown. It's horrible.

You're right; Chicago should be Tier 3. Editing the list a bit. There's a bit of a per-capita effect, though, where Chicago has a much larger population and many more other industries than say Austin, Boulder, or Portland, which makes them seem more tech-based even though the absolute number of firms & VC dollars is less.

It just depends. Plenty of great fintech in Chicago because of CME. Also plenty of great biotech in Chicago.

The SFBA B2C thing is not great in Chicago. IMO that's a retired man's game, but I thought bitcoin was dumb in 2010 so wtf do I know.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by HarryHirsch »

rafram wrote: post #86
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #67

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> if you're getting paid a tech salary to live in Tulsa + $10k who the FUCK cares if a clerk is rude to you? I think of my New York City taxes as a country club fee. That way they aren’t half bad. If I made a little less or a lot more they would be a problem. But having distance from racists, homophobes and idiots, who tend to congregate in low-cost places for being, generally, useless, is worth a few tens of thousan…

> for being, generally, useless While I understand what you’re going for here, this feels a bit eugenics-ish to me. They are as much a human being as you are and people are capable of change. Odds are they didn’t choose to live there.

The million-dollar question that it's all about is if the locals choose to be ignorant assholes or if they don't know better because of circumstances - multigenerational bad education and ready availability of Foxnews. You'd actually say that anyone who could moved away long ago, and it's only the dregs of society that are still there.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by throwawaygh »

Bahamut wrote: post #89
throwawaygh wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These programs existed for decades before the pandemic. They never caught on for a very simple reason: CoL is literally the only advantage. $10K is nothing compared to the uphill climb of career progression that inevitably comes with remote work. Hell, $10K literally less than my first relocation package and I was moving a single bedroom. TL;DR: no one moves to SFBA because it's the best CoL vs salary choice, and the…

I actually moved to the Bay Area because long term it has the best compensation when accounting for cost of living that I calculated for net take home pay unless I wanted to move over to NYC fintech (definitely don’t want to). While $300k+ is a pipe dream in most of the US, it’s attainable in the Bay Area working for a big tech company as a modest goal.

Absolutely true. Really. Just don't have 4 kids :)

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by MrMorden »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #93
kylequest wrote: post #88

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Aside from not allowing non-competes what is there to copy?

Overtime after 8 hours, allowing sitting if you don’t need to stand, mandatory 30 min breaks after 5 hours, same min wage for all workers regardless of tipping, health insurance mandate, Medi-Cal, to name a few. I have a relative with an advanced degree in a state without labor laws who has to work 12 and 13 hour shifts with zero breaks standing up.

The best anti-SLAPP law in the country, no state ban on municipal broadband, no blue laws, allows people who get a JD by remote learning to take the bar exam.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by [deleted] »

redm wrote: post #78
techsupporter wrote: post #17

I (truly) wish these people good luck and hope they find the happiness they seek. I am from near Tulsa and there's absolutely no way in hell you'll ever catch my family moving back to there. It's hot, humid, comes with tornadoes, you have to drive everywhere (and everywhere is set up on the assumption you will drive). Plus, I will never forget the clerk at the licensing office who, after the rules changed to require…

I think your painting with a pretty broad brush. Sitting aside your bad experience at the licensing office (and general negativity on the culture), someone moving from SF may have a higher quality of life, depending on what they value. For example, more space, lower cost of living, lower taxes, ability to travel more, save more, have a larger house, etc. You can trade tornado's for wild-fire's and earthquakes. I live…

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Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by xur17 »

vmception wrote: post #63
paxys wrote: post #43

I understand people who have roots in the bay area and aren't in the position to leave (or just don't want to). I also understand people who, under the current circumstances, want to temporarily or permanently move to a location that will work out better for them. I don't understand, though, how $10K can be the deciding factor for someone for such a major decision.

Think about all the people behind on their rent and/or need to break their lease (an additional month rent) to move otherwise they risk a court ordered eviction, a debt judgement, and being on the “do not rent” list for all landlords everywhere forever no matter if the monthly rent is 1/10th the amount that caused the problem during a global pandemic. A $10k cash infusion solves all or a lot of that in most cases. Ma…

I'm honestly surprised more places are don't try this - $10k for the potential tax revenue seems well worth it to me.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by dehrmann »

paxys wrote: post #43

I understand people who have roots in the bay area and aren't in the position to leave (or just don't want to). I also understand people who, under the current circumstances, want to temporarily or permanently move to a location that will work out better for them. I don't understand, though, how $10K can be the deciding factor for someone for such a major decision.

$10K is a lot more money in Tulsa than the Bay Area, so the sponsors probably think it's more motivating than it really is.
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