I wonder how the fact that this is a German company relates to people in the US always being told that they have to pay multiples of international drug prices so the US companies can do the research the rest of the world is not doing.
Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's the first vaccine with preliminary results from a phase III trial. And the initial news are very good with 90% efficacy.
the first preliminary stage 3 results are actually from the sinovac vaccine: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sinova... . however they didn't disclose the efficacy, but only the side effects. general efficacy is not everything anyway. according to https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... the best vaccine is one that prevents serious disease and death, which can't be shown i…
Google suggests they hadn't started, or were only just getting permission to start their phase 3 trials by the time of that article.
Either way. It's a matter of semantics to say the sinovac vaccine had results first if it doesn't say anything about efficacy. What is being discussed is efficacy results.
Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”
#113The headquarter of their company is only 10 miles from my home, in a university town, full of young people. So blessed that maybe a part of the solution to this crisis comes from "my" region.
That may help offsetting the burden brought to Mainz by having Karneval and ZDF.
Maybe Mainz will give credit to Sahin and put him as a puppet onto a carnival progression car come next Rosenmontag, though I guess the vaccine won't come in time for this year's carnival season starting tomorrow to be fun.
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#114Why is Pfizer always mentioned in the news when it is BioNTech and Pfizer is "just" a partner? Just as the Chinese drugmaker Fosun is. Sure credit goes to both but this "Dream Team" is BioNTech.
I feel like there’s a threshold for fame that needs to be met for giving credit in the English-language, mainstream media. A famous name like Stephen Hawking would get directly credited for a result. A less famous researcher’s result would get credited to their school (eg MIT). Outside of well known western names and institutions, the result would get credited to the country (eg China or Japan). The exception is unde…
This has to be called some kind of effect which is probably already on Wikipedia.
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you saying that facts should be suppressed because someone might use them the wrong way? Serious question.
Would you like to also know if a perpetrator was left-handed or ginger or blood type A? No. Because that doesn't matter. Just as ethnicity doesn't matter. Criminal is a criminal.
Governments are able to choose which nationalities are allowed entry via immigration policy.
Some might find criminal representation very relevant to that policy decision. Perhaps you do not. That’s certainly your prerogative. But outright denying the relevance is absurd.
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you saying that facts should be suppressed because someone might use them the wrong way? Serious question.
Would you like to also know if a perpetrator was left-handed or ginger or blood type A? No. Because that doesn't matter. Just as ethnicity doesn't matter. Criminal is a criminal.
But we're discussing an article that specifically calls out the researchers ethnicity and the fact they are immigrants.
Or are you saying we should only talk about a person's ethnicity when it's in a positive light?
Maybe this article should have just said "a German husband-and-wife dream team"?
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#117Re: Behind Pfizer's vaccine, an understated husband-and-wife “dream team”
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
Would you like to also know if a perpetrator was left-handed or ginger or blood type A? No. Because that doesn't matter. Just as ethnicity doesn't matter. Criminal is a criminal.
But we're discussing an article that specifically calls out the researchers ethnicity and the fact they are immigrants. Or are you saying we should only talk about a person's ethnicity when it's in a positive light? Maybe this article should have just said "a German husband-and-wife dream team"?
> Or are you saying we should only talk about a person's ethnicity when it's in a positive light?
Yes, because integration can only work when people have role models to look up to. This is also why (even if she's as "top cop" as it can get) the appointment of Kamala Harris is so important, or Barack Obama winning in 2008 - it is a "ceiling breaker" event, it shows to people that even if one is not part of the "usual old boys club" it is possible to achieve success.
Painting ethnicity in a negative light, especially when it's totally unrelated and irrelevant, however was judged as "potentially inciting or furthering racial division" in German media codex.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
This might have something to do with national bias. In Germany, where BioNTech is based, news articles (or rather: German-language articles) either mention BioNTech exclusively or cite them as the primary player in the BioNTech / Pfizer partnership.
> This might have something to do with national bias. I would rather say nationalistic bias. Because the fine German press never put a bombastic headlines like "Migrants invented Covid vaccine", or "Scientists of Turkish origin to save millions of German lives". Somehow these facts are conveniently ignored, but when a person with migration heritage do something bad, it's vocally mentioned in all media, including the…
Straight up wrong!
The opposite is true, the names of criminal migrants are usually suppressed in the media, for fear of riling up the right. The names of the BioNTech couple are everywhere, as ten seconds of research could have taught you.
https://rp-online.de/panorama/coronavirus/biontech-gruender-...
https://www.tlz.de/leben/vermischtes/biontech-gruender-diese...
https://www.express.de/koeln/corona-impfstoff-erfinder-das-l...
https://www.businessinsider.de/wissenschaft/gesundheit/biont...
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
It doesn't matter where they are from. This was the work of a group of dedicated individuals working together. Their national origins are irrelevant. If you want to end the "open racism", focus more on individuals and less on groups.
I disagree. It breaks the false narrative of "immigrants are just a burden for the society".
I don't think anybody really thinks that, only a few pockets of ignorant right-wingers and left-wingers. USA is all about the brain drain against other countries and that's the way it should be for a successful nation. Immigration has been more successful with the USA than probably any other nation. Illegal immigration on the other hand does cause issues with schools, jobs, taxes, hospitals etc and for those with a vested stake in the area, they should be pissed about that.