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A pacifist's plan to survive the violent world of prison

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Re: A pacifist's plan to survive the violent world of prison

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Post by ada1981 »

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #38
ada1981 wrote: post #34

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Some sort of cooperative living space; rehabilitative; access to plant medicines and therapy; nature to farm.

No to plant medicines. It is cruel to subject someone only to plant medicine, doubly so if it hasn't been rigorously tested: Give folks actual, up to date medicine instead. You know, the same quality that everyone on the planet should have. There is no reason someone should have to suffer more than they should. If you need anti-depressants, by all means, please have access. And to drugs that alter the course of auto-…

Huh? I’m talking about access to psychedelics which are the most effective treatment we have at healing trauma.

Re: A pacifist's plan to survive the violent world of prison

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Post by butbutemails2 »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #94
avs733 wrote: post #66

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It isn't intentionally racist to hold the belief...but the belief is an intentional construction to justify racist policing. Off the cuff and reducing a complicated discussion to somethign simple you can start here: https://medium.com/equityorg/reefer-madness-the-racist-roots... The early representations used to vilify marijuana were part of jim crow efforts to ensure racial hierarchies. They included representations…

Dude, it's been a hundred years. Times change. Nobody cares about weed anymore for the most part. Crack is mostly a non issue as that epidemic has already ran its course. Perceptions of coke are relegated to jokes about white collar professionals and crazy parties. Heroin and meth are the two drugs people really look down on these days and they're stereotypical white people drugs. Attempts to cast everyone who wants…

Reminds me of that Milton Friedman joke about the 1950s[1]

1. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt7bzxurJ1I

Re: A pacifist's plan to survive the violent world of prison

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Post by pyuser583 »

sevencolors wrote: post #37

I'm glad we're starting to move the conversation and American laws towards decriminalizing drugs. With Oregon leading the way last week. Focusing on helping addiction not ignoring it and shaming people will go a long way to breaking the cycle

Sorry isn’t the guy incarcerated for burglary? Legalizing drugs doesn’t legalize property crimes committed to support drug addiction.

Re: A pacifist's plan to survive the violent world of prison

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Post by pyuser583 »

Skunkleton wrote: post #76
saiya-jin wrote: post #67

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Last sentence is especially valid - decriminalization does absolutely 0 with organized crime earning tens of billions every year from all addictives. The same folks that deal in kidnappings, ransom, contract killing, weapons smuggling and many more. As a bonus health of patients(addicts) is not deteriorating so rapidly due to crap they take along with actual drugs, so bonuses go back to whole society in form of lower…

> Last sentence is especially valid - decriminalization does absolutely 0 with organized crime earning tens of billions every year from all addictives. The same folks that deal in kidnappings, ransom, contract killing, weapons smuggling and many more. Surely decriminalization is an improvement.

Yes, “an improvement.” Is a pretty low bar.

Would “drug courts,” where offenders are not prosecuted provided they complete treatment not also be an improvement?

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Post by GoOnThenDoTell »

asdff wrote: post #96
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #86

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To a point, sure: Tobacco and alcohol are still sold illegally. But most folks buy it from the stores, and if they aren't, adjustments need to be made. Taxation isn't generally the issue (as alcohol & tobacco are taxed) as long as it is easy to purchase and reasonably priced. The other issue is that there are conflicts between state and federal law. Not being able to bank easily is a major hurdle, and these sorts of…

And that's the caveat. The black market still outweighs the legal market because it is difficult to purchase because of the difficulty in opening a legitimate dispensary, and it isn't reasonably priced with a 30% upcharge for taxes. right off the bat the illegal dispensary is 30% cheaper, and that makes a bigger difference in the MJ market where the base cost of the product is much higher than for a $16 bottle of liq…

It takes time for each successive group of new users to come to market where they weren’t exposed to the black market in the first place, who are averse to unknown quality of the black market

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Post by klyrs »

mprev wrote: post #73
klyrs wrote: post #53

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I'm a pacifist and a martial artist. My first approach is de-escalation. That has failed, and I've been attacked by people, and still did not want to hurt those people. Nor will I allow people to simply beat me up. I've defended myself by deflecting and avoiding their attacks, using their momentum against them and whatnot; and when necessary, various holds or joint locks. I've also successfully fled situations where…

Serious question but how do you get in so many situations that lead to violence?

They're infrequent, but they do add up over the years. You're probably picturing stranger assaults, but actually drunk and/or angry friends (more usually, "friends") and family are responsible for a good portion of said experiences. It'a rare that I'm the target, but I stand up for folks and generally step in when people I love are about to do something they'll regret.

And then there's the transgender thing -- I've experienced a big uptick in unwanted attention from the public, ever since I came out. Not just a "bad neighborhood" thing, I've had a dude try to follow me home in a sleepy burb, too.

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Post by paganel »

macspoofing wrote: post #95
paganel wrote: post #71

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> three strikes laws The three-strikes law is pure abomination, I've first learned about it watching "Oz" (the TV series) in the early 2000s, couldn't believe that that was real (I don't live in the States). 15 years have passed and there is still no real conversation about abolishing it.

>The three-strikes law is pure abomination Why? I don't have a well-formed opinion on this type of policy but there is a balance between prioritizing justice for victims and rights of victimizers. Behind every single strike are innocent people who have been hurt by the individual and at some point, you have to take steps to protect them from someone who just doesn't want to stop. You also can't take away all agency f…

Putting a person in prison for life for three separate shop-lifting sentences is inhuman (just an example I thought of myself right now but I'm pretty sure it's real).

Re: A pacifist's plan to survive the violent world of prison

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Post by klyrs »

scarmig wrote: post #92
klyrs wrote: post #53

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I'm a pacifist and a martial artist. My first approach is de-escalation. That has failed, and I've been attacked by people, and still did not want to hurt those people. Nor will I allow people to simply beat me up. I've defended myself by deflecting and avoiding their attacks, using their momentum against them and whatnot; and when necessary, various holds or joint locks. I've also successfully fled situations where…

I'm curious: is it actually rational to use more harmful techniques against someone significantly larger than yourself, someone armed, or a group of people? It seems as likely as not to be perceived as an escalation, and in those types of situations an escalation is likelier to mean you get permanently injured or killed. Of course, the best martial art is de-escalation and the next cross-country, but if you're corner…

Fun thing about classes. I've had the opportunity to spar with people twice my size. I bounce off them. No, it is not rational to put hope in a method that has no chance of success, unless failure is certain death. Sometimes, the best that training can do is teach you when to accept defeat if that will minimize harm.

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Post by macspoofing »

paganel wrote: post #118
macspoofing wrote: post #95

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>The three-strikes law is pure abomination Why? I don't have a well-formed opinion on this type of policy but there is a balance between prioritizing justice for victims and rights of victimizers. Behind every single strike are innocent people who have been hurt by the individual and at some point, you have to take steps to protect them from someone who just doesn't want to stop. You also can't take away all agency f…

Putting a person in prison for life for three separate shop-lifting sentences is inhuman (just an example I thought of myself right now but I'm pretty sure it's real).

To be clear, the individual in question was neither incarcerated life, nor was incarcerated for shoplifting.

>just an example I thought of myself right now but I'm pretty sure it's real

You're pretty sure it's real eh?

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