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EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf]

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#111

So to which EU politician do I send GDPR complaint to? The EU politicians have completely isolated themselves from the common folk through their bureaucratical system.

That's the biggest problem with the EU. There is no accountability and as an individual you have no recourse, even your vote does not matter

It's by design.

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#113

I'm in my early 40s. Up until I was ~35 I was very strongly against this, sort of like most you. Now I feel the EU in general (some member states a lot worse than others) has backed itself into a corner because of the utterly failed integration efforts, union-wide. I live in a EU nation that has seen a very high rise in violent (and sometimes frankly horrible) crime over the past decade. As a dad of a 1-year old daug…

Letting the criminals talk in secret is the cost of letting everyone else talk in secret. Don't you think your daughter deserves secrecy in her life?

And of course, there's the obvious question: why would you expect a criminal to stop using encryption just because it's illegal?

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#114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First step is finding a way to educate the mainstream (including politicians) on the dangers of master keys and backdoors. It is too easy for many politicians and security agencies to think that their master keys and backdoors won't ever fall into the wrong hands, that they're careful, etc. And if you point out the problem, they'll tell you they'll be even more careful. Think about it from a non-techie perspective. I…

E2E encryption is scary. I'm also in the "you can't ban math, why try" camp. But I can't see authorities/politicians give up the idea of getting access to decrypted communications after court orders, in a 100 years, even if everyone completely understood the topic. It's just not happening.

guns are scary

knives are scary

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#115

I don't have a nice name for people in EU parliament that write these things, they don't really understand what encryption is. It's not a technology. You can't ban encryption. Terrorists can just use unencrypted chat and either use their own encryption or they can use predefined words and sentences that actually have a totally different meaning.

It's not about listening to terrorists (there were many terrorist attacks, where the police was informed about the terrrists in advance, and still didn't do anything). It's about listening to the masses of their own people.

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We need to leave the EU ASAP. I'd rather not. Can we fix it?

The kinds of people who call for eliminating international institutions rather than reforming them are generally less interested in the actual problem they cause and more interested in NIMBYing other human beings.

Really, lies and slander, ad hominem attacks? I have expected more from a news site frequented by supposedly educated people.

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I was told that this only happens in authoritarian regimes like China. Turns out that while everybody was talking about China exact same things were happening here in the West. It's as if the whole focus on China was specifically designed to distract people from what's happening in their own countries.

The west has terrorists - "we're different"

Terrorism is ostensibly the reason for what China is doing in Xinjiang.

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#119
post #96

I'm in my early 40s. Up until I was ~35 I was very strongly against this, sort of like most you. Now I feel the EU in general (some member states a lot worse than others) has backed itself into a corner because of the utterly failed integration efforts, union-wide. I live in a EU nation that has seen a very high rise in violent (and sometimes frankly horrible) crime over the past decade. As a dad of a 1-year old daug…

It's common that people become much more concerned about possible threats to physical safety after having children. That strikes me as reasonable, even if it leads someone to take a different side than I would in a freedom/safety question. With that out of the way, how do you propose stopping criminals from using encrypted chat? You can make it illegal, of course, but making it impossible for someone who doesn't care…

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#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think that this will reduce violent crime in any meaningful way? The guy who mugs you isn't going to go on Messenger and send out a quick "brb gonna mug someone" message. And they definitely won't if they know the government is listening. And regardless, we trade freedoms for risk of death all the time. We would have far less crime if no one was allowed to leave their house without an ankle monitor and…

I don't think he's talking about the guy who mugs him. More like about the guy who mows down a crowd with an automatic weapon, the guy who drives a truck through the center of a Christmas market or the guy who blows up a metro station. That kind of people.

So stop letting "that kind of people" into your country rather than take away everyone else's rights.
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