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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by josteink »

yakz wrote: post #78
mortenjorck wrote: post #28

This isn’t sustainable. Software developers can’t build on a foundation that is constantly, capriciously shifting. This on top of the App Store's already-onerous restrictions and the fact that it’s the only practical way to get your software on one of the world's largest computing platforms has already engendered a deep antipathy [1] among Apple developers, and there are no signs it’s getting better. Something has to…

They can build on it... developers have been building on it for years and making money doing it. Don't make an app that allows users to run unapproved software. I think that's a pretty clear rule. If your app makes money (directly or indirectly), pay Apple whatever portion of your revenue that Apple demands. I also think that's a pretty clear rule. If there's something that should obviously be regulated out of existe…

> Don't make an app that allows users to run unapproved software. I think that's a pretty clear rule.

Translation: don’t make an app that put users in control of their own devices.

I’m sorry, but I take issue with such user-hostile behaviour.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by papaf »

csydas wrote: post #94
papaf wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iOS developers have made over a half a trillion dollars over the last decade on this unsustainable, constantly shifting foundation that they hate so much. I don't know why you think that this comment is relevant given that iSH is free.

You're focusing on the wrong part. The contention from iSH and many other posters in the thread is about AppStore rules being inconsistent which in turn makes it unsustainable as per the GP. The comment is that it's clearly sustainable and stable enough to allow persons to make a significant profit from it even which shouldn't be possible without some stability and predictability to the platform.

I believe that you are missing the central point. The AppStore rules are unsustainable for people that volunteer their time and expertise for free like the developers of iSH.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by saagarjha »

robocat wrote: post #91

To me it appears they admit that iSH allows scripting (ummm, obviously), and that scripting is against Apple’s policy (as we all know). From one of their articles: “Soon after we released iSH without apk, we found users who had figured out a way to get apk back using wget and were posting about this throughout the internet”. They argue that Apple’s policy should be changed to allow scripting: https://saagarjha.com/bl…

My argument is that Apple already allows scripting (as they have already approved dozens of such apps, including their own) and my suggestion is a clarification of the guidelines to make this explicit rather than subject to arbitrary review.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by saagarjha »

mullingitover wrote: post #87

> Advanced users are welcome to build iSH themselves—it’s free and open source and always will be! I mean, the app store fiasco sucks, but at the same time if you're advanced enough to want a command line on an iDevice you're probably advanced enough to do 'git clone', hit the build button in XCode, and do a local install. It's grade school level of difficulty. Ideally they'd offer a release that you can build and in…

It’s kind of annoying unless you’re paying money to join the development program.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by mullingitover »

Tepix wrote: post #103
mullingitover wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incorrect. You can do local builds and installs of any code you like.

Not if Apple stops signing your dev certificate. Without Apple helping you, you cannot install apps you compiled yourself on your own Apple device.

True, but also irrelevant.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by [deleted] »

bigbubba wrote: post #15
cute_boi wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i thought termux is going to have issue in latest version of andriod? This is what we get from monopoly.

Well.. duopoly. I think we're witnessing the war on general computation being lost: https://archive.org/details/GeneralComputation

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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by mullingitover »

saagarjha wrote: post #114
mullingitover wrote: post #87

> Advanced users are welcome to build iSH themselves—it’s free and open source and always will be! I mean, the app store fiasco sucks, but at the same time if you're advanced enough to want a command line on an iDevice you're probably advanced enough to do 'git clone', hit the build button in XCode, and do a local install. It's grade school level of difficulty. Ideally they'd offer a release that you can build and in…

It’s kind of annoying unless you’re paying money to join the development program.

You don't need a developer account to do local installs, and haven't for a long time.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by ankushnarula »

nextos wrote: post #12
thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #2

As beautiful and polished as iOS is it is policies like these that keep me on Android. I wish iSH the best of luck, but I will stick with Termux ( https://termux.com/ ) on Android for now.

It's sad. I'm a Linux diehard, but during the pandemic I considered buying an iPad to SSH into my office workstation, browse the web, etc. as I got stuck in an awkward accommodation. Hardware is great, but the keyboard lacks a dedicated ESC, and I was quite uncomfortable with the fact that terminal apps seem like second rate citizens / not well liked by Apple. IMHO, there's a lot of untapped potential in the iPad as…

iPad keyboard support let’s you remap Caps Lock, CTRL, Cmd, Opt, and Globe key. I’ve remapped Caps Lock to Escape on both iPad Pro Magic Keyboard (and 2018 MacBook Pro 15). Works great in iSH, Shelly, and several other remoting apps.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by josteink »

iaxiomi wrote: post #81

If I was iSH developer and I wanted to fuck with Apple I would make iSH run in WASM and browser. Good luck banning that desktop shortcut.

> If I was iSH developer and I wanted to fuck with Apple I would make iSH run in WASM

Seems Apple is on the WASM-banning track already:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25028733

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by kencausey »

mullingitover wrote: post #115
Tepix wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if Apple stops signing your dev certificate. Without Apple helping you, you cannot install apps you compiled yourself on your own Apple device.

True, but also irrelevant.

I'm generally curious and somewhat ignorant on this subject. I would appreciate if you could explain why it is irrelevant.
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