I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps • Hacker News Board

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by k_sze » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 5:14 PM UTC

IshKebab wrote: post #63

yeetman21 wrote: post #6

In the article he mentions “Their goal is just to exterminate all Uighurs in one way or another”, if that is the case, why not just shoot them all? Why did they let him out?

Probably harder to claim a dead person is alive, than a live person wasn't tortured. Also it's pretty clear that they don't care about eliminating the people - they want to eliminate the culture.

On the other hand, why even torture someone and then let them free so they can speak out against you? Torturing seems like such a hassle.

If I were an evil dictator with the means in the modern day and I wanted to really intimidate a population, I would abduct some of that population and just secretly kill them and burn their bodies. Nobody can then prove whether you actually killed them. You could say you re-educated them and then let them go, and their present whereabouts are no longer your business.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by s5300 » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 5:15 PM UTC

gadders wrote: post #92

iaw wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess would be politics. Congress in the US is democratically controlled while the Senate and Presidency are republican controlled. The current administration is fairly anti-Muslim and has ignored the Uighar issues entirely, the current administration likely told the State Department not to issue the visa.

The Bidens and by extension the Democrats have extensive business connections with China.

The Trump's and by extension the Republicans have extensive business connections with China.

So what?

Elon Musk and by extension SpaceX (aka future of large portion U.S. space travel) has extensive business connections with China.

So what?

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by rglover » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 5:17 PM UTC

clubdorothe wrote: post #8

I don't know what to say or describe my feelings after reading that article -- How can we help ?

Educate others. Share this information. Talk about it and get it into the public conversation.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by birdyrooster » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 5:17 PM UTC

fuoqi wrote: post #106

While I think it's a gross over-reaction from the Chinese government, I think I understand the fears which fuel such behavior. CPC has learned a lot from the fall of the Soviet Union and they will do anything in their power to prevent a similar outcome for China. One of the lessons was that cultural differences between citizens can be a very effective tool to destabilize a country. So instead of promoting cultural au…

Has this ever been done successfully? It seems like the racial caste system they continue to build will blow back eventually.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by apta » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 5:18 PM UTC

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #48

think twice before buying made in china, for this man,s torture is added to your karma.

https://www.reddit.com/r/avoidchineseproducts/

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by kerng » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 5:18 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #89

Here's the realpolitik deal, as I understand it. China doesn't really care about terrorism. What they do care for is a separatism movement. Not because they can't afford to give some land to those to make their own country, but because they fear that that country (or the population within China's borders if no country is created) will be used against them from foreign powers as a pressure point against China. Which i…

Wonder what your perspective is around countries which are closer culturally to Uighurs? Like i keep hearing they are from Turkish decent - would Turkey have any interest or stake in this?

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by apta » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 5:19 PM UTC

Please strongly consider boycotting, or at least avoiding Chinese products: https://www.reddit.com/r/avoidchineseproducts/

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by birdyrooster » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 5:19 PM UTC

They creating their own Al Qaeda, come back in ten years and check how they are cooking.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by chris11 » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 5:20 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #71

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #48

think twice before buying made in china, for this man,s torture is added to your karma.

So like Guantanamo, the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan and close to a century of Kissinger and his ilk, is added to one's karma if they buy US products?

That should be a call to action to fight against America's abuses, not a reason to ignore other countries abuses.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by lerptime » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 5:20 PM UTC

DevKoala wrote: post #110

nendroid wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Are you justifying China for eradicating a whole culture and its people due to some extremist attacks? The US tried to justify over a decade of slaughter of terrorists and innocent bystanders abroad as a reaction to one terror attack on US soil. Don't try to play word games here. None of this is actually justified. All countries are guilty of crimes. The question I am posing people to consider is this: If several 9/…

9/11 was Al Qaeda from Pakistán. The USA didn’t have a war with Pakistan over a radical terrorist group.

Is Chinas' reaction also not a response to terrorism?

Also by war he likely doesn't mean "official" declaration of war by the vocal cords of the US president.

He likely means a more physical form of war by means using soldiers, bullets and bombs to conduct mass slaughter. That kind of war.