Earlier quoted context omitted.
IRA is not GRU
lol.
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
lol.
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The difference between the government, the corporate sector (oligarchy) and the mafia in Russia is nominal. It's all the same people, operating out of different organizational fronts.
It's a super-organization that transcends what we think of elsewhere as being different sectors (of varying degrees of legality)
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
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The difference between the government, the corporate sector (oligarchy) and the mafia in Russia is nominal. It's all the same people, operating out of different organizational fronts. It's a super-organization that transcends what we think of elsewhere as being different sectors (of varying degrees of legality)
There's a big difference between the GRU and the SVR and the FSB. There's an even bigger difference between GRU and the IRA.
These are completely different things, it's downright silly to imply otherwise.
IRA staffers certainly aren't "GRU agents"
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
So why would anyone make any indictment public before arrests? Yet we do it all the time internally. And I’ve never heard prosecutors complain that this is making it harder to arrest people. There are benefits to it - it opens doors, gets other law enforcement involved, can lead to public awareness to help apprehend, etc. I think you formed an opinion not based on the evidence.
We do it all the time in situations without geopolitical ramifications because prosecutors trust law enforcement's ability execute arrest warrants. What "public awareness" is going to help bring these people in from Russia when we show them our hand of "we know who you are and what you do"? Like what's specifically different about them versus Assange that makes it more likely to bring them to trial by publicly announ…
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What "public awareness" is going to help bring these people in from Russia when we show them our hand of "we know who you are and what you do"?
It lets other countries know we're looking for someone. For example, here [1] is the US indictment from 2015 for Russian national Aleksei Yurievich Burkov. This let other countries know we wanted him. He was arrested later that year in Israel, and held because he was indicted by an ally country. He was extradited to the US in early 2020, tried, and sentenced to a long prison term.
Care to explain how public awareness does not get people arrested? Even from Russia?
There are plenty of cases like this. I see very few arrests and extraditions followed by public indictments. Do some searching in the DOJ court cases.
I'm done here. You form a lot of opinions based on very little data, and seem uninterested in solid statistical evidence before making claims, which is what I care about. Unfounded opinions are not useful to me.
[1] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14431846/united-states-...
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Look what they did with Julian Assange. Secret indictment until he was already in friendly custody.
So all your above claims are based on one anecdote? We extradited El Chapo, Abu Hamza al-Masri , Victor bout, Ira Einhorn, Roman Piscotti, and many others. So if we’re just making claims on anecdotes, so far I’ve presented that 6 times as many people get extradited after indictments than your anecdote. I figured you had more reason to make such strong claims than simply an opinion without data.
>Abu Hamza al-Masri
Indictment unsealed after arrest.
>Romano Pisciotti
Indictment unsealed after arrest.
>Viktor Bout
Indictment unsealed after arrest.
El Chapo and Ira Einhorn both fled after being made aware of their indictments.
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
We do it all the time in situations without geopolitical ramifications because prosecutors trust law enforcement's ability execute arrest warrants. What "public awareness" is going to help bring these people in from Russia when we show them our hand of "we know who you are and what you do"? Like what's specifically different about them versus Assange that makes it more likely to bring them to trial by publicly announ…
> What "public awareness" is going to help bring these people in from Russia when we show them our hand of "we know who you are and what you do"? It lets other countries know we're looking for someone. For example, here [1] is the US indictment from 2015 for Russian national Aleksei Yurievich Burkov. This let other countries know we wanted him. He was arrested later that year in Israel, and held because he was indict…
Aleksei's indictment very clearly says it was filed under seal.
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.326720...
That's why he went to such a US friendly country like Israel in the first place; he didn't know for sure there was an indictment filed for him.
We don't need to unseal indictments in order to coordinate with other countries' law enforcement. We have mechanisms for privately working with them without making public announcements.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
The difference between the government, the corporate sector (oligarchy) and the mafia in Russia is nominal. It's all the same people, operating out of different organizational fronts. It's a super-organization that transcends what we think of elsewhere as being different sectors (of varying degrees of legality)
There's a big difference between the GRU and the SVR and the FSB. There's an even bigger difference between GRU and the IRA. These are completely different things, it's downright silly to imply otherwise. IRA staffers certainly aren't "GRU agents"
I don't disagree with anything you say.
But nothing you say argues against what I said.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
Then the foreign powers should declare war and they'll be subject to the Geneva convention. Covert action that is illegal in the target country has always made operatives subject to the local laws. If you want to be treated like a soldier, wear a uniform and fight in a declared war. Otherwise you're subject to the rules for spies.
@cameldrv: “Then the foreign powers should declare war and they'll be subject to the Geneva convention” Question: Which military power has threatened to bomb the International Criminal Court in the Hague, if its military are brought before the court. a) The Russian Federation or b) The United States of America. * and the answer is ‘b’ https://www.hrw.org/news/2002/08/03/us-hague-invasion-act-be...
I don't see the relevance here. If you do something that's illegal in the U.S., don't go to a country that has an extradition treaty with the U.S. The only exception is war. If your country invades the U.S., and you are a normal soldier and shoot some people, if you're captured you'll be treated as a prisoner of war and released when the war is over.
If you covertly come to the U.S. and shoot some people, you'll be put on trial, convicted, and then imprisoned or executed. If the other side has someone to trade for you, you might get released. This is how spying works.