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Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by nitrogen »

InfiniteRand wrote: post #52
vanderZwan wrote: post #24

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On the other hand, I'm running KDE Neon (the "stable" version, insofar as there is one) where everything is supposed to "just work" and even there I got a really dumb dependency error this morning[0] that lead to KWIN almost automatically uninstalling itself to "fix" the problem. This has happened a few times in the last months - including the desktop wanting to uninstall itself. Of course I know how to behave in tha…

I really think Linux should make it harder somehow to uninstall critical parts of your operating system. I'm sure it might not be easy to work out a mechanism for this that would not add friction for those who need to swap out large components of their desktop experience, but I personally think this is one of those things that sometimes really scares people about Linux (along with rm -Rf /) Every couple years I find…

I really think Linux should make it harder somehow to uninstall critical parts of your operating system.

Yes. This was one of the things we had to polish way back in the first Linux boom when I was working at Lindows. We got a report from QA that "when I uninstall this random thing called dpkg I can no longer use the app store". After the lead dev managed to collect himself from off the hallway floor (the only literal ROFL I have ever seen), everyone realized that yes, you should be prevented from uninstalling the core software.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by konart »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #96
brmgb wrote: post #90

I don't understand why the KDE teams let so many padding and alignment issues go through each release. Some of them are particularly jarring. For example, if you look at the screenshot of the system settings in the announcement, the pictures with two lines of subtext are above the ones with only one line despite them being the same size. It might seem minor but the situation repeats everywhere. I understand it might…

While I agree with you, that's nothing a custom theme / engine can't fix. Fonts on linux are not that great as well, by default. KDE is quite a useful Desktop Environment packed with functionality; I miss KDE a lot when using Mac OS X or Windows.

>While I agree with you, that's nothing a custom theme / engine can't fix.

For many people this is a turn off rather than a great thing. I've been using Ubuntu and the Arch for many years before switching to macOS (OSX at the time).

Even now you have to compile and install a custom theming engine[1] in KDE to apple decent themes

[1] https://github.com/tsujan/Kvantum/tree/master/Kvantum

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by nitrogen »

ubercow13 wrote: post #57
InfiniteRand wrote: post #52

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I really think Linux should make it harder somehow to uninstall critical parts of your operating system. I'm sure it might not be easy to work out a mechanism for this that would not add friction for those who need to swap out large components of their desktop experience, but I personally think this is one of those things that sometimes really scares people about Linux (along with rm -Rf /) Every couple years I find…

Why would apt uninstall things automatically? I’ve never noticed pacman doing that but maybe I’m lucky

Sometimes a newer version of package A will declare that it conflicts with package B. Maybe package C depended on both before the conflict was added. Then the package manager might find that the only way to resolve all conflicts is to remove C, which then auto-removes everything C depended on. Maybe C happens to be the "kububtu-desktop" package.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by shmerl »

dleslie wrote: post #105
shmerl wrote: post #103

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Yes, but I don't need a low power solution. I need something that can compile things in reasonable time.

I have a separate server for that, tucked away where I can't see it and I can easily vent the heat. Builds never slow down my desktop experience.

With 12 core Ryzen 9 they never slow it down for me too :)

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by madprops »

Pet_Ant wrote: post #32
amelius wrote: post #27

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> Well maybe it's what everyone else wants. Could you give an argument for why someone would want it?

Because it takes up less real estate and I know what app I’m looking for. I don’t have separate windows for all my Firefox tabs even though you could consider them to belong to 5 or 6 different categories.

A nice solution is to simply put each icon/task of the same application side by side, so for instance you get 3 firefox icons in a row in the taskbar/dock, that's what I do, there's enough space anyway. That way you can quickly tell what's open and switch to them.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

ashton314 wrote: post #88

Ugh! KDE is so pretty and so configurable except in the one way that I really need: I need an easy way to set Emacs-style keystrokes globally. Do this and I’m sold forever. (That aside, very exciting update!) Is there anything like Karabiner or AutoHotKey for KDE that lets you download predefined keyboard shortcuts?

At this point it is a bit of a mystery to me why something like AutoHotKey isn't built in to every OS.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by dleslie »

shmerl wrote: post #114
dleslie wrote: post #105

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I have a separate server for that, tucked away where I can't see it and I can easily vent the heat. Builds never slow down my desktop experience.

With 12 core Ryzen 9 they never slow it down for me too :)

You must not hit the disk much. Even with a fast m.2 I get crippling io waits.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by shmerl »

dleslie wrote: post #117
shmerl wrote: post #114

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With 12 core Ryzen 9 they never slow it down for me too :)

You must not hit the disk much. Even with a fast m.2 I get crippling io waits.

With recent Samsung NVMe it's pretty good. They are also releasing PCIe 4 Evo ones soon.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by e12e »

ubercow13 wrote: post #57
InfiniteRand wrote: post #52

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I really think Linux should make it harder somehow to uninstall critical parts of your operating system. I'm sure it might not be easy to work out a mechanism for this that would not add friction for those who need to swap out large components of their desktop experience, but I personally think this is one of those things that sometimes really scares people about Linux (along with rm -Rf /) Every couple years I find…

Why would apt uninstall things automatically? I’ve never noticed pacman doing that but maybe I’m lucky

apt does try to keep track of unneeded packages/dependencies though - and will suggest you remove them with apt autoremove. This should always be safe... Unless a package is missing dependency information (has a packaging bug).
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