As a current YouTube TV subscriber this confuses the hell out of me. I can't imagine what your average non-techy consumer thinks.
Chromecast with Google TV
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Re: Chromecast with Google TV
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't understand why this comment was downvoted. This is priced the way it is because the profit isn't in the hardware, it's in the viewer data. It's very cheap only if you set the value of your privacy to some very low number.
Anecdotally, techies are tiring of vague statements about privacy and 'you're the product', especially about Google. If theres a tangible cost beyond enabling ad targeting, people are still amenable (this has always been true for the general populace, Google has a more trustworthy image than Apple! Imagine that)
I think you're right about the attitude among techies - especially those around San Francisco - and I think that's part of the reason why our reputation is in decline. A lot of America sees us as a bunch of creeps spying on everything they do and they aren't wrong about that.
Video records are a special class of data covered by the Video Privacy Protection Act. The tangible cost is the risk that your viewing history would be used to attack you. It happened before and that's what spurred the creation of that act.
Re: Chromecast with Google TV
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
don't know about google tv, but chromecast is wildly successful.
Combing both Chromecast and Android TV (e.g. Nvidia Shield) has a less than 10% market share. Making it smaller than Samsung, Amazon, and much smaller than Roku (market leader). It seems to have a hardcore audience that think the world of it (or who haven't tried anything else), but most of the market moved on years ago. If anything this Google TV "Chromecast" is designed to make Chromecast relevant again.
Chromecast is still a hit with anyone who torrents or streams live TV from local sources, and VLC users.
Re: Chromecast with Google TV
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Combing both Chromecast and Android TV (e.g. Nvidia Shield) has a less than 10% market share. Making it smaller than Samsung, Amazon, and much smaller than Roku (market leader). It seems to have a hardcore audience that think the world of it (or who haven't tried anything else), but most of the market moved on years ago. If anything this Google TV "Chromecast" is designed to make Chromecast relevant again.
> If anything this Google TV "Chromecast" is designed to make Chromecast relevant again. Chromecast has always had the issue that it's main users are the tech savvy who are comfortable controlling everything via smartphone. That's not a huge percent of the population. By adding the remote and going for the play of helping you navigate cross app, they seem to be trying to extend out to less savvy users who need a more…
I'm quite tech savvy, but I vastly prefer using a remote control that I don't need to look at to control the TV that I'm already looking at.
Re: Chromecast with Google TV
#115Is it just me or is Google consistently awful at product marketing? They've already had a Google TV that they killed. They've also already killed Chromecast Audio. Now this thing is called "Chromecast with Google TV". I think consumers are going to be confused. The ability to bundle in 6 months of Netflix for $40 is so random. Why not offer a YoutubeTV bundle? Where is the product synergy? It's nice that Stadia will…
It is most definitely not just you. The disconnect between the team that created this product and the YouTube TV/Android TV/Stadia/Google Home teams just shows that the leadership at Google must be extremely poor. I don't blame the engineers and product managers for making a siloed product. It probably a fine product on it's own. But the failure to connect the dots and capitalize on the synergies across the org speaks to a big executive failure. What could have been a big push for monthly recurring revenue through both YouTube TV and Stadia with enticing package deals is instead just a $50 gadget. Why does Google even bother with consumer products and subscriptions any more? The only thing I can think of is these tiny projects in disparate areas are just there to supply panel data they can feed into their ad profile algos, just enough data to be statistically significant and only ever popular by accident.
Re: Chromecast with Google TV
#116IMO, Apple TV has been one of the strengths of the iOS ecosystem over Android. Chromecast has a lot of good integrations, but the dongle’s lack of a standalone UI with independent controls made it awkward for communal living room use. Looks like this could be a strong competitor and the price greatly undercuts Apple. I’m excited to try it out.
The BIG difference here is that Netflix is fully integrated with the search/queue/discovery experience, along with all of the other major streaming services like Prime. Apple hasn't managed to land that one yet – having access to their content baked into the experience is a huge advantage, let alone not alienating Netflix as Apple did in the past with the TV app: https://9to5mac.com/2019/03/18/netflix-apple-video-ser…
I think that's on Netflix, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is because Netflix won't agree to whatever privacy rules Apple stipulates. Other services are searchable in the TV app.
Given the amount of Netflix chatter my Pi Hole blocked from my Roku when I wasn't even using Netflix, data harvesting seems to be a big part of their operation.
Re: Chromecast with Google TV
#117Is it just me or is Google consistently awful at product marketing? They've already had a Google TV that they killed. They've also already killed Chromecast Audio. Now this thing is called "Chromecast with Google TV". I think consumers are going to be confused. The ability to bundle in 6 months of Netflix for $40 is so random. Why not offer a YoutubeTV bundle? Where is the product synergy? It's nice that Stadia will…
Marketers are a waste, let the engineers run product teams. /s
Re: Chromecast with Google TV
#118I still have the Sony TV with built in Google TV, which is a brick now, because I can't update it anymore and google has abandoned it. Not doing the same mistake again.
As opposed to other built-in OEM smart platforms, which definitely have a long life filled with useful updates? The real solution is that the smarts should be in a Chromecast or Apple TV or Roku, that way it's easy to replace or upgrade.
Absolutely. A TV should be as dumb as possible. It's a large monitor with one video input and no speakers.
Re: Chromecast with Google TV
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. But also no. RIP Reader.
Probably didn't help that there wasn't an easy path to monetization for Reader.
Huh? If Google didn't want to charge a fee for use (which doesn't seem to be how Google works), then they could easily have inserted their own adds into the RSS feeds. Or had an ad bar in the Reader interface.
It seems like Google of all places would have been able to figure out how to support that with ads.
I just don't think that they wanted to. It didn't fit into how they thought people would be interacting with the Internet in the future, and I can't say they were all that wrong...
Re: Chromecast with Google TV
#120IMO, Apple TV has been one of the strengths of the iOS ecosystem over Android. Chromecast has a lot of good integrations, but the dongle’s lack of a standalone UI with independent controls made it awkward for communal living room use. Looks like this could be a strong competitor and the price greatly undercuts Apple. I’m excited to try it out.
The BIG difference here is that Netflix is fully integrated with the search/queue/discovery experience, along with all of the other major streaming services like Prime. Apple hasn't managed to land that one yet – having access to their content baked into the experience is a huge advantage, let alone not alienating Netflix as Apple did in the past with the TV app: https://9to5mac.com/2019/03/18/netflix-apple-video-ser…
I wonder if the search/discovery/queue for Google TV will also work with Plex and services like Trakt.
Currently on Apple TV I’m just using each service’s app (Netflix, Plex, Amazon) to watch different shows, but one UI that kept track of everything would be neat.