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Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

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Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

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Thailand has modern day slavery. It is considered one of the worst locations in the world.

To publicly publish an accusation like that against someone is clearly defamation if it's not correct.

I think some jail time would be suitable if it's found not to be true.

It sounds not true.

Should a person be jailed before they are convicted and awaiting trail and have to pay bond? We do for other crimes like personal drug use. This was an attack on another person.

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

#112
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article says he said "modern day slavery", but the point here is not that there wasn't any defamation. It is that police came to his work and put him in jail based off of a complaint by the hotel. Does that seem reasonable to you?

Defamation is a very serious crime there. The hotel had hard evidence and, I presume, saying a hotel practices modern day slavery is very high up in the list. In light of that, it doesn't seem that preventive detention, which I assume was the case here, is that unreasonable.

This didn't make the news because it contradicts what people know about thai law. A single complaint from a business to police over a review that gets someone taken from their job and put in jail is not reasonable and most would consider it a gross abuse of power, legal or not.

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

#113
post #28

Pro Tip: leave your reviews after the stay. Another pro tip: know the local laws. American’s are THE WORST overseas because we think ‘Merica way of life is world wide. No, it isn’t, and you’d to well to humble yourself, learn the local laws, conduct yourself as if you were at Nana’s house. Wheaton’s law: “Don’t be a dick”. But Thailand’s defamation laws, online laws, and more kinda turn me off from visiting. Granted…

Foreign travellers in the US can be as bad or worse than US travelers in other countries. Many Europeans, Asians, Africans, South Americans etc do no better job informing themselves of and following local customs in the US than Americans do in their countries.

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Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

#114
post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that really the level of being a dick that should land you in a foreign prison?

I don't see why not. The net damage might be equivalent to stealing significant money.

Stealing implies one party enriches themselves at the expense of another.

A better term for this situation would be "costing."

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

#115

Pro Tip: leave your reviews after the stay. Another pro tip: know the local laws. American’s are THE WORST overseas because we think ‘Merica way of life is world wide. No, it isn’t, and you’d to well to humble yourself, learn the local laws, conduct yourself as if you were at Nana’s house. Wheaton’s law: “Don’t be a dick”. But Thailand’s defamation laws, online laws, and more kinda turn me off from visiting. Granted…

> know the local laws I've been to Singapore. There's the ones everyone knows about like the drug laws, not spitting, littering, or chewing gum. The one people don't mention is that cars also have the right of way over pedestrians, so be extra careful when crossing the street.

So it's like Chicago, but clean?

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

#116
post #9
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would not be surprised one bit if Singapore punished being a dick with N lashes in a public square.

Which by the way might a perfect way of punishing dicks - nothing like pain and public humiliation to cure inflated egos.

That seems like a decent enough idea when you're 14 or so, but you need to understand how these things pan out IRL.

When Fill-In-Political-Party-You-Don't-Like takes charge, lobbies to expand the definition of dickery, adds criticism of corporal punishment policies to the list, and rules that you are a dick... now it's just about the worst idea.

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

#117
post #29

The part near the end of the article is confusing. >While this reaction by the hotel does sound excessive I’d give them the benefit of the doubt that this guest behaved like a total idiot while at the property and then turned around with very unflattering descriptions and manufactured truths aka lies about this resort. He then refused to discuss the matter with the hotel and instead of stopping even accelerated his o…

In the article it states that the hotel guest violated the hotel policy of bringing alcohol on premise. So the guest seems to have broken the rules and then lied about it, which in Thailand is a serious crime. Yes, the punishment is excessive but not sure how the guest is “right”. Your comment is cherry picking the later section while ignoring the beginning, it seems. > According to media reports the whole drama init…

> So the guest seems to have broken the rules and then lied about it, which in Thailand is a serious crime.

The article says the hotel wanted a fee for bringing in alcohol. Where are you getting that not paying a fee to bring alcohol to a hotel and lying about it would be a serious crime in thailand?

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

#118
post #11

Pro Tip: leave your reviews after the stay. Another pro tip: know the local laws. American’s are THE WORST overseas because we think ‘Merica way of life is world wide. No, it isn’t, and you’d to well to humble yourself, learn the local laws, conduct yourself as if you were at Nana’s house. Wheaton’s law: “Don’t be a dick”. But Thailand’s defamation laws, online laws, and more kinda turn me off from visiting. Granted…

Sorry, but Americans are not the worst, no matter what you as the stereotypical self-deprecating American may think. If you asked Thai people who the worst are, they'd probably say Chinese tourists.

Living here, they usually do single out Chinese tour groups. It’s not a cheap vacation for Americans to just go to Thailand. The raucous Americans that just want to get stupidly drunk on a hot beach while harrassing local women usually go to Mexico, Central America, or the Carribean. In Thailand you can usually pick out the Americans for being eager to eat spicy food on the streets in an attempt to ‘live like a local’ instead of at the stereotypical Western pubs. There’s a selection bias on the accessiblity and cultural interest that causes generally better-than-average, non-stereotypical Americans to find themselves in Thailand specifically.

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not convinced that defamation laws are absolutely abhorrent. It's possible to ruin someone's life with verbal harassment, especially when given amplified powers via social media.

That is a false dichotomy. No one said anything about defamation laws in general and this is a business not a person. They told the police that what he said was untrue and the police came to his work and put him in prison.

Cause of defamation laws? If you're against this isn't the root of it defamation laws?
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