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Microsoft had a secret Windows XP theme that made it look like a Mac

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Re: Microsoft had a secret Windows XP theme that made it look like a Mac

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I'd argue that Linux desktop was always the peak of customization via themes, and today remains the last platform to even allow such customization. Most Linux desktop themes don't look all that great (simply because of the '90% of everything is crap' rule), but there are a few really great ones that are aesthetically much more pleasing than both Win10 and macOS (of course this is very personal and subjective, which m…

What are your favourites?

I currently use Adapta Nokto on Ubuntu.

Re: Microsoft had a secret Windows XP theme that made it look like a Mac

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Does anyone remember Stardock's WindowBlinds from around the same time? I'm pretty sure it included a Mac theme in the installer? Or at the very least Stardock provided a place you could go to after installation to download more themes of which a Mac theme was one.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is, I'm not entirely convinced this is the deal it's made out to be as there were other companies out there with the same or similar offerings.

Re: Microsoft had a secret Windows XP theme that made it look like a Mac

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Mac OS wasn't this ugly. Seriously: You can't just incorporate some design element and go "see, it looks like X". It won't. What most people making software seem to miss is that software look & feel isn't the design of widgets, but also click behavior, layouts, click paths, description texts, animations, delay after a click ... /tangentially related rant

There were lots of copycat themes for Linux window managers and toolkits around then which looked much worse than this attempt. I really miss the windows XP theme. It was super clean and consistent compared to the shit show we have now.

I loved the XP theme! It was undoubtedly very polarizing though, even to this day people argue over whether it was a beautiful step forward (as I believe) or a horrible Fischer-Price kids UI.

Re: Microsoft had a secret Windows XP theme that made it look like a Mac

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Quote: "Microsoft was developing Windows XP during an era when there was fierce competition with Apple over desktop operating systems" I'm sorry, what? Talk about joke of the week. Apple never had desktop world bigger than 10% as market share. Not even today when it's at the highest peak ever, and in 2001 they were more like 1%. Sorry to burst your bubble Tom Warren, you do realize US is like 35 people out of 800. As…

> Apple never had desktop world bigger than 10% as market share. And that would make Apple the single largest PC manufacturer.

the big three have been Lenovo, HP and Dell for a long time, order of those has switched sometimes. so depending how you slice the share, you could find a niche where somehow it would appear as whatever you want it to be, usual thing when reporting market shares: "we are top in this is super-niche slice of the overall market"

Re: Microsoft had a secret Windows XP theme that made it look like a Mac

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> Apple never had desktop world bigger than 10% as market share. Right but you can differentiate markets. Apple may be 10% worldwide, including Asian markets like India. But what is the market for affluent and influential tech workers in the West? Probably like 95% MacBook Pro. Which market do you think they care more about?

My data does not support that conclusion. To the contrary, the vast majority of business decision makers are still on a Windows based machine in the US. I can validate this directly as we operate the largest library of long-form professional/technical content library on the web. Over 700k professionals per month are registering and downloading content specific to their needs. Below is the current breakout of their de…

and that means desktop devices, not servers, embedded or smartphones: not overall shares. common error is picking one slice of the share and claiming it as something else.

Re: Microsoft had a secret Windows XP theme that made it look like a Mac

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd argue that Linux desktop was always the peak of customization via themes, and today remains the last platform to even allow such customization. Most Linux desktop themes don't look all that great (simply because of the '90% of everything is crap' rule), but there are a few really great ones that are aesthetically much more pleasing than both Win10 and macOS (of course this is very personal and subjective, which m…

It's the peak of customization yet the community is full of people saying "I didn't like GNOME's palette so I use Plasma now." I never know how to respond to those people. If they're happy, whatever, but it feels like most people are unaware themes exist.

To be fair, themes are only grudgingly supported by gnome. KDE has more available configurability for color schemes, but the number of Qt themes that handle everything correctly and look good is small.

I think resolution-independence has made creating themes much more difficult, and not a lot of people are up to the task.

Re: Microsoft had a secret Windows XP theme that made it look like a Mac

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XP was a rewrite of the shell window decorations + controls system, to support drawing these as collections of bitmaps with fonts on top. Likely they were inspired to do this by the fact that macOS was doing things with buttons, modal backgrounds (pinstripe!), etc. that Windows couldn’t do at the time with its hardcoded GDI-draw-call based theming. Microsoft knew that they wanted the flexibility to be able to do what…

Microsoft has never understood that appearance (UI) is the last step. They've never been able to understand and therefore seriously address the stuff behind the veneer. Anecdata: The 2008 presentation by the guy in charge of the Office Ribbon best demonstrates their organizational blindness. TLDR: They only set out to better organize the complexity, and make it more pretty. They never considered making the underlying…

> They never considered making the underlying products more simple.

I mean, how could they, really? Their primary-revenue-source customers are enterprises with established workflows, that want those established workflows to continue to work. These enterprises would be very unhappy if Microsoft changed the "architecture" of how any of their products do anything, or even how automation products (e.g. VBA macros) would have to interact with their products to accomplish things. The only reason these companies stick with Microsoft, rather than switching to a competitor like Google, is that Microsoft ensures their 20-year-old VBA-laden Excel workbooks continue to work on new versions of Excel.

Any change Microsoft makes to their UI, has to require at-most-trivial changes to these enterprise workflows. And so Microsoft can only really make at-most-trivial changes. They can't cut any Gordian knots by e.g. merging two features into one that solves both problems, because then the workflows couldn't work in terms of the original two features any more.

I feel like the only way Microsoft could really get out of this hole, is by just creating an entirely-new suite of products, that "replace" their existing products for new users, but aren't meant to replace their existing products for existing users, and so where the existing products wouldn't get deprecated/put on life support, until they're something only stodgy old dinosaur companies are using any more.

If they're willing to do it (a dozen times so far) for their collaboration/groupware suite; then why not do it for Office?

Re: Microsoft had a secret Windows XP theme that made it look like a Mac

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Windows XP original theme was the best. Not at a nostalgic level only (which of course affects me and my memory), but I felt it was so easy to use and so easy to find everything. Today, Windows 10 control panel is a mess.

> Today, Windows 10 control panel is a mess. Oh gosh, yes. It gets a little bit better if you organize it alphabetically, but then it is alphabetical left to right, top to bottom. It's as if somebody intentionally designed it to be as difficult to scan through as possible.

It would makes localizing nightmare.
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