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Re: The Cement of Society Is...

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As a sociologist, I can't help but notice some glaring absences. Allow me to amend: ...gift-giving (Mauss, 1925): Giving gifts creates an obligation to reciprocate, tying people together in bonds of mutual obligation. ...collective effervescence (Durkheim, 1912): People engaging in repeated ritual action which aligns their focus on a common object (Erving Goffman called this "interaction ritual") and who become attun…

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Re: The Cement of Society Is...

#112
post #68

As a sociologist, I can't help but notice some glaring absences. Allow me to amend: ...gift-giving (Mauss, 1925): Giving gifts creates an obligation to reciprocate, tying people together in bonds of mutual obligation. ...collective effervescence (Durkheim, 1912): People engaging in repeated ritual action which aligns their focus on a common object (Erving Goffman called this "interaction ritual") and who become attun…

By symbolic violence do you mean violence through symbols rather than uhm.. symbols denoting violence like sports?

Re: The Cement of Society Is...

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post #5
post #3

More and more I think a good answer for this is something along the lines of "...a shared basic reality of facts." Especially lately in the US it seems like there's a schism in the basic understanding of what's happening with stuff like Coronavirus, effects of systematic racism past and present, climate change, etc.

Or at least, an agreement in the value of good faith discussion in pursuit of truth and mutual progress.

"good faith assumption"

That would be my guess too

Re: The Cement of Society Is...

#115
post #3

More and more I think a good answer for this is something along the lines of "...a shared basic reality of facts." Especially lately in the US it seems like there's a schism in the basic understanding of what's happening with stuff like Coronavirus, effects of systematic racism past and present, climate change, etc.

I think you're right, but I think you might not understand why. All 3 of your examples are part of a new religion that's forming right now. You may not blaspheme against these issues.

Take your systemic racism: What is white supremacy? https://www.showingupforracialjustice.org/white-supremacy-cu...

Out of curiosity, do you agree with that webpage that to be an individual or perfectionist is to be a white supremacist?

On the issue of climate change, I challenge you to be devils advocate. Go to another thread or even another site and pretend to be against climate change. You might expect that you will be told where you are wrong or have a discussion. That won't happen. You will be told how you're a trump lover who needs to die.

Re: The Cement of Society Is...

#116
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize that the "other side" has the same EXACT perception of you, right? It would be nice if people were a bit more skeptical of their preferred news outlets and opinion makers. What I see instead is the continuing existence of the same bubble that led to the shock and surprise at Trump's election. An absolute refusal or inability to consider other views, an inability to interpret events in historical contex…

No, of course, I never thought about the perception from the other side. Yes I know that, I believe the things I do though because I either think they're correct, they should be correct, or I hope they'll be right some day, I think I've considered and synthesized information from various sources not just one or a small few. I get that my whole world view is a conglomeration of what I was taught, when I grew up, what…

> I get that my whole world view is a conglomeration of what I was taught, when I grew up, what I've read etc. but if I didn't think I was at least partially right why would I believe it.

Everyone believes this. It becomes dangerous when we start assuming these are the correct beliefs.

> I don't know how to bridge the conceptual gap between the ideological poles here.

Just talk to conservatives, in my experience they're willing to listen.

Re: The Cement of Society Is...

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post #112
post #68

As a sociologist, I can't help but notice some glaring absences. Allow me to amend: ...gift-giving (Mauss, 1925): Giving gifts creates an obligation to reciprocate, tying people together in bonds of mutual obligation. ...collective effervescence (Durkheim, 1912): People engaging in repeated ritual action which aligns their focus on a common object (Erving Goffman called this "interaction ritual") and who become attun…

By symbolic violence do you mean violence through symbols rather than uhm.. symbols denoting violence like sports?

Search[1] yielded:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_violence

which I take to be a sociologist's take on the same elephant this boxer describes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJRoTG0hA9c

Both descriptions are from half a century ago.

[1] on that tangent: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24501978

Re: The Cement of Society Is...

#118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize that the "other side" has the same EXACT perception of you, right? It would be nice if people were a bit more skeptical of their preferred news outlets and opinion makers. What I see instead is the continuing existence of the same bubble that led to the shock and surprise at Trump's election. An absolute refusal or inability to consider other views, an inability to interpret events in historical contex…

Conservative perceptions of their opponents have very little basis in reality as most of what conservatives perceive regarding their opponents is projection intended to deflect from their own misbehavior. Conservative messaging is driven almost exclusively by fabricated outrage for which there is no non-conservative equivalent; non-conservative messaging is driven by outrage over actual conservative behavior. Non-con…

> There is such a thing as objective reality and the history of the past forty years of conservative politics is a history of conservatives abandoning objective reality in favor of delusions they find comforting.

Again, "the other side" has the exact same concerns about your tribe.

Re: The Cement of Society Is...

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post #86
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But pharmaceutical companies and health insurance companies are not outrageously profitable compared to chemical manufacturers and other insurers (respectively). The biggest cost center in the health industry is human resources, and nobody seems willing to tackle that (by reducing remuneration to doctors and nurses).

Health insurance definitely is outrageously profitable compared to other insurance sectors: https://www.statista.com/statistics/948687/health-insurance-...

It’s paywalled, but based on the blurb it’s an irrelevant comparison of absolute dollars of profit from a health insurance company versus a non health insurance company selling health insurance. One would expect a grocery store to have more absolute dollars of profit from selling groceries than a gas station would.

The profit margins of a health insurance company are ~5% per the SEC filings of the largest insurance companies, which is not a large profit margin.

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