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Re: I Want to Fix Goodreads

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Howdy, Mek here -- I run https://openlibrary.org over at the non-profit Internet Archive (the folks that bring you the Wayback Machine). Open Library is an free, online California Library with millions of digital books to read and borrow. It's additionally an open catalog of millions of books which you may track like goodreads. Best part? If it's not to your liking, the whole project is open source! https://github.co…

This is awesome! Is there a schema link that explains the different types (works vs edition) and how they are all related?

Re: I Want to Fix Goodreads

#115

My problem with Goodreads isn't the recommendations engine. The recommendations are fine. I'm actually skeptical that any ML recommendation engine is going to recommend better books than my friends will. The only thing I expect from a recommendation engine is discovery , by which I mean finding new things that neither I nor my friends have read that look interesting. Whether they're good is another story altogether..…

Really? GoodReads reviews have devolved to complete garbage. The first few pages of reviews are always from the same people trying to be GoodReads famous.

Everyone gives everything 5-star reviews because they get more likes for positive reviews. The user reviews mean nothing. I'd like to have a way to see what people actually think about books. But on GoodReads that's almost impossible to find.

I'm surprised there isn't a rotten tomatoes for books. I've considered starting it myself, but I don't see much money to be made from it. Maybe that's why...

Re: I Want to Fix Goodreads

#116

I'm skeptical of this person's ability to "know" what they don't want to read. E.g., they are recommended Shoe Dog and a King novel, which they claim they don't want to read. However, if other people have read similar books and rated them similarly to this person and have read Shoe Dog and that King novel and rated those well, then this person may like those books. It seems they are assuming they won't like them, but…

I feel the same way in that I wonder if maybe I would like it if I read it.

For the King book, my wife read it and we talked about it and I just don’t want to read it. For the Knight book, I read the first few pages and know the Nike story and don’t want to read it.

Maybe I’m missing out and they are truly amazing. But I can’t read all that they recommend just in case they suddenly get great at recommending.

It’s a challenging problem and the risk of missing out is there. But I don’t know of any way to truly eliminate the risk unless I read every book recommended. And my life isn’t long enough.

Re: I Want to Fix Goodreads

#117

> They recommend different versions of books I’ve read. They recommend two different versions of Lord of the Rings (one of my favorite books), but I guess they don’t know these are the same book. This is failure mode of recommendations is so common and so catastrophically useless that I do not understand how it has not been solved. I'm into photography, so every now and then I buy a lens from Amazon. Immediately afte…

I’ve had this same thing happen with so many large purchases. If I’ve just bought a washing machine the odds of me wanting another one the next day are astronomically small, unless they think I’m in the process of starting a small laundromat.

Re: I Want to Fix Goodreads

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post #99

Howdy, Mek here -- I run https://openlibrary.org over at the non-profit Internet Archive (the folks that bring you the Wayback Machine). Open Library is an free, online California Library with millions of digital books to read and borrow. It's additionally an open catalog of millions of books which you may track like goodreads. Best part? If it's not to your liking, the whole project is open source! https://github.co…

It seems like there is a strong desire to _not_ make OpenLibrary an alternative to Goodreads. See discussions here[1] and here[2]. [1]: https://github.com/internetarchive/openlibrary/issues/3103 [2]: https://github.com/internetarchive/openlibrary/issues/1964

I think there's a very important distinction to be made between the notion of an alternative and a replacement.

I think many of us (in the Open Library community) want to see many players in the space and as much creativity as possible. We love books and we love giving book lovers options. Inventaire, LibraryThing, Goodreads, and fivebooks are all amazing services which have pioneered different, amazing experiences. And each brings something unique to the table. Goodreads is loved by 90M people.

It's also true that it's challenging for any single application (e.g. Goodreads) to serve 90M diverse users in all the ways they may prefer.

We see opportunities for the community to be better included in helping cultivate a more inclusive and diverse book ecosystem. Will it be better than service X? I don't care as much, so long as it allows researchers, students, enthusiasts, parents, and other patrons (who may be left behind by current solutions) to achieve their goals.

In order to support this mission, our primary objective at Open Library is making sure useful book and author metadata is as accessible as possible via APIs, data dumps so the community can build the right solution for their use cases. And of course, doing the best we can to build basic, useful tools to help connect readers to their reading experience and to each other.

We're a very small team (staff of 2 eng -> 4M patrons) so without the community being excited and driving, what we're able to accomplish is very limited, beyond keeping the lights on and the book data happily flowing.

So I want to echo your sentiments olah_1. As a non-profit, our goal isn't to out-complete or replace any existing service. But it very much is to provide an "alternative".

An alternative where every netizen and book lover has the opportunity to shape the future of their library. Where there are books which represent everyone. Where everyone's use cases may be served (if people are willing to put in the work). And where the limit of what's possible is bound only by one's creativity and a shared vested interest in being a good neighbor.

Re: I Want to Fix Goodreads

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post #99

Howdy, Mek here -- I run https://openlibrary.org over at the non-profit Internet Archive (the folks that bring you the Wayback Machine). Open Library is an free, online California Library with millions of digital books to read and borrow. It's additionally an open catalog of millions of books which you may track like goodreads. Best part? If it's not to your liking, the whole project is open source! https://github.co…

It seems like there is a strong desire to _not_ make OpenLibrary an alternative to Goodreads. See discussions here[1] and here[2]. [1]: https://github.com/internetarchive/openlibrary/issues/3103 [2]: https://github.com/internetarchive/openlibrary/issues/1964

And for good reason.. many of those requests involve a much higher level of maintenance (moderating content like reviews, building a social network, etc)

I like that OpenLibrary is trying to be a source of open book data. But I am a bit concerned about the quality of the data (just a feeling as I am still digging into it but there are open questions on how to handle things like multiple authors, etc)

Re: I Want to Fix Goodreads

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post #58

Is this a good thread under which to have a more general discussion about data ownership and access? Goodreads is a Schelling point for book reviews, reading lists, and personal catalogs, but the API leaves something to be desired, not to mention the UI. Why shouldn't the Goodreads database be accessible to other applications? Why shouldn't the data be stored locally, or on our "own cloud"? Why can't we fix what's wr…

I believe my site fixes that problem but Mods here keep removing the link. Lets see if they remove it like this: AudioBookReviews . com
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