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Cat vs. panel heater: which is better?

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Re: Cat vs. panel heater: which is better?

#111

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Oh wow. I’m sorry for you and your cat, that seriously sucks.

Despite adding a month to the mortgage, it was a good news story. Cat full recovered within a day or two, and the joy my kids get from this gosh darn cat makes it worth the expense. (just as long as it doesn't make a habit of getting eyeball splinters - freaking gross). Very thankful to have the means that enable a spur-of-the-moment $1,650 expense not affecting too much of the future. I'll have to write the story of…

Good to hear that everything worked out ok!

Re: Cat vs. panel heater: which is better?

#112

Reminds me of the story of how Three Dog Night got their name. Apparently it referred to Australian Aborigines using three dingos to sleep with on very cold nights.

Since getting a dog I’ve learned dogs and cats both run a degree or two hotter than we do — 38-39 C as against our 37. Noticeably adds to the comfort level, even if there’s only one under the covers.

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Sorry to be the downer on this article, but if you head to oneroof's "news" page [0] you'll see their entire raison d'être is to push out articles for NZ's media outlets to reproduce in the hopes of encouraging the continued misallocation of capital into residential real estate. So them making light of the house heating situation is in extremely poor taste considering such issues as NZ being the only developed countr…

Can you connect the last dot for me and explain why "(mis)allocation of capital into residential real estate" is bad for warmth, affordability, and fighting rheumatic fever?

The NZ renting experience can best be described as punitive, and for foreigners coming here can be quite a shock at what it entails (no pets [0], no hanging pictures, short-notice no-fault eviction, good luck getting plumbing and electric fixed, etc. etc.). But relevant to this discussion is the extremely poor state of the housing stock. It is woeful beyond belief.

The house I rent is in a town with median household (i.e. avg of 1.5 earners) income of US$44,000, and my rent is US$1,100/month. One of the inclusions in that cost is what I call the "mould room", which is not just uninhabitable but I don't dare even enter it without a mask [1]. I run a dehumidifier in my kids room for 14hrs/day or they would cough all night in bed - it sucks about 4L moisture per day. But I put up with that because my landlord hasn't put up rent too much (is about 15% behind market at the moment) and the alternatives that come on the market are scarcely any better.

Lest you think I'm being dramatic or that my situation isn't generalisable, I suggest you read this recent reddit thread of NZ renters detailing how cold their houses are [2]. Particularly funny are comments from Norwegian, Swedish, Canadian migrants saying they've never felt as cold in their life as in a New Zealand bedroom.

The only way out of this situation is to buy your own house. That's it. There is no incentive whatsoever for landlords to improve their capital once someone is paying off their mortgage, and covid slowdown notwithstanding, that is guaranteed to be the case due to extreme supply shortage.

Perhaps you were confused by my use of the phrase "capital into real estate" - that doesn't mean building more and certainly never means improving existing stock - it just means buying the same existing houses for more and more money each year. The effect of this, of course, is that people renting these houses have to save more each year for a deposit if they ever hope to own. In this town, in the last 12 months, if you saved anything less than US$12,000 towards your deposit you are now further away from owning a bottom quartile house than last August. It is now estimated that for those born after 1990 (everyone OneRoof, being a real estate advertising company, makes its money on listings priced based on the value of property, and so want to see both higher prices and/or higher turnover. Against typical microecon thinking, these factors are correlated in NZ, so in short all they want to see is higher prices. In other words they make more money the harder it is for renters to escape the cold, and thus put out an endless stream of PR guff about rags-to-riches stories of people flipping houses, hoping (and often succeeding) that 'serious' news outlets like the NZ Herald run the stories uncritically.

That is why "cats are warm lol" is so offensive coming from them.

[0] Adding further insult in the context of this article

[1] If you're wondering why I haven't put in a solution for this - it's a hilly town and this room is embedded in the Earth up to about half way, a not uncommon feature around here. Since it wasn't waterproofed properly, it's about as moist as a rainforest in there, and the only fix would be knocking two walls down and rebuilding that whole section of house.

[2] https://old.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/i9h2r1/i_just_w...

Re: Cat vs. panel heater: which is better?

#115

“ A 3kg cat has a heat output of 14.8 watts, or 129.65 kilowatt-hours...” Playing fast and loose here. That’s 129.65 kilowatt hours per year. 14.8 watts is 0.0148 kilowatts of course. Kilowatt hours are a measure of total energy output over a given time not instantaneous output.

You would be surprised how often this error is made. Even in quality newspapers journalists tend to use kWh as a unit of power instead of energy. That probably happens because of the 'hour' part in kWh.

People have no problem understanding that km is distance, and km/h is speed.

With energy and power the units read less intuitively: energy is J (Joule) and power is really just J/s (Joules per second), but we call that W (Watt) and for purposes of energy consumption the unit is kWh, which is really just a fancy compact way of saying 3.6 MJ (Megajoules).

So we have journalists writing about new dams that produce x TWh and cats that produce 129.65 kWh. (Per what? Day? Month? Year? Lifespan of the dam?)

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#116

I was once desperately poor. Too poor to turn on the heat. But I did have access to friendly cats, so I've been through this experiment in real life. One cat stuffed under the blankets at night is a significant improvement. But as you add more and more cats, the improvement becomes only incremental. I eventually learned that two cats was really the best one could hope for. Best positioning is between the legs, and wi…

I can't really tell if this is truth or fiction but either way your comment warmed my day.

But how many such comments would you need to read per day to replace panel heaters would you say?

Re: Cat vs. panel heater: which is better?

#118

I was once desperately poor. Too poor to turn on the heat. But I did have access to friendly cats, so I've been through this experiment in real life. One cat stuffed under the blankets at night is a significant improvement. But as you add more and more cats, the improvement becomes only incremental. I eventually learned that two cats was really the best one could hope for. Best positioning is between the legs, and wi…

Have you tried just adding more blankets. I never run heating at night because I find that even at 0c outside I can just stack up 4 blankets and still be warm.

0C? That's pretty warm. I sleep naked under a goose down duvet with the window open in an unheated bedroom even when the outside is -15 C. Now I'm on my own it does get a bit cooler than before but when there were two of us under the duvet it was plenty warm enough.
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