Abolish the Police? Survivors of the Chaos in Seattle Aren’t So Sure

Post by victoro0 » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 9:43 PM UTC

shadowgovt wrote: post #42

noarchy wrote: post #21

People want security. That means different things to different people. Law enforcement is not necessarily the same thing as security. Law enforcement means just that, and the laws themselves may not be what many would consider just. The laws are likely to reflect the prejudices of those in power, which may lend itself to why we're seeing the clashes we're seeing in the US right now. Those with the resources to do so…

> Law enforcement is not necessarily the same thing as security I'm having difficulty finding my source right now, but it appears that in cases of homicide by someone unknown to the victim, a police officer is the perpetrator in between 1 in 3 and 1 in 4 incidents. These statistics don't consider whether the killing is justified; they just observe that if people know of someone who was killed by a stranger, there's a…

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 10:23 PM UTC

Tycho wrote: post #79

We can split hairs about 'defunding' vs 'abolishing', but I just get the distinct impression that many people have got no real idea about the threat that crime poses to the prosperity of a community (or city or state), and the effort that is required to keep it in check. The occasional misbehaviour of police officers is a small price to pay compared to the oppression and privation wrought by widespread crime.

Post by op00to » Fri, Aug 07, 2020, 11:25 PM UTC

low_common wrote: post #76

spaetzleesser wrote: post #3

I really hate that in typical US manner this issue gets pushed to the extreme so in the end a reasonable discussion can’t be had but it’s only a fight with everybody digging in and not listening to each other. Abolishing the police was always nonsense but there are plenty of areas where police is overused and too aggressive. In my view there shouldn’t be police in schools or hospitals. The drug war causes a lot of un…

You need police in hospitals to maintain security for the patients in there. It's not uncommon to have incidents with people from the outside trying to assault/murder someone they know in the hospital. Criminals shot on the street still have to go to the hospital and this leaves an opportunity for their would-be-murderer to come in and finish the job. Schools, it's sad but I'm in favor of school resource officers. Th…

Post by shadowgovt » Sat, Aug 08, 2020, 12:08 AM UTC

victoro0 wrote: post #111

shadowgovt wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Law enforcement is not necessarily the same thing as security I'm having difficulty finding my source right now, but it appears that in cases of homicide by someone unknown to the victim, a police officer is the perpetrator in between 1 in 3 and 1 in 4 incidents. These statistics don't consider whether the killing is justified; they just observe that if people know of someone who was killed by a stranger, there's a…

How would that imply lack of security? Wouldn't it be perfect if every single homicide by a stranger was by a cop? It would mean that a cop was there every time to stop the criminal before they hurt someone.

Post by pluto9 » Sat, Aug 08, 2020, 12:15 AM UTC

justSayin000001 wrote: post #108

low_common wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need police in hospitals to maintain security for the patients in there. It's not uncommon to have incidents with people from the outside trying to assault/murder someone they know in the hospital. Criminals shot on the street still have to go to the hospital and this leaves an opportunity for their would-be-murderer to come in and finish the job. Schools, it's sad but I'm in favor of school resource officers. Th…

You can call them “school resource officers”, but that doesn’t magically make them good. They are typically a role model for high school bullies who want to continue to bully after graduation (aka be a police officer).