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Sledding athletes are taking their lives

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Re: Sledding athletes are taking their lives

#111

Our culture is rife with such, arenas where (mostly young) people put their life and health at risk for the merriment of the couch potatoes that make up the bulk of the public. We can't outlaw it as long as there are people who rely on it for their livelihood, and large swathes of the populace are insensitive to the sufferings of strangers to the point of enjoying it, immensely.

To be fair, a sport like sledding does not exist for the audience as much as for participants themselves. I doubt anyone gets into that sport to make a living out of it. I expect that's the case for most olympic disciplines.

Your critique is fair for a couple of other sports, particularly boxing/fighting and american football.

Re: Sledding athletes are taking their lives

#113
Isn't this a really small problem? If you were to sort by importance all the problems in the world, how close to the bottom would sledding athletes injurying themselves be?

I feel sorry for those who already incurred lasting damage, but for the rest... it only depends on them to stop.

Re: Sledding athletes are taking their lives

#114

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No, sport is dangerous and we must accept this. Otherwise this is a slippery slope and will result in banning sinple things like a slide in soccer or something.

The current environment is already a chosen position on a slope. Gymnastics and figure skating have illegal moves. All sports ban some drugs due to their adverse health consequences. What is considered too dangerous is a constant conversation and continually revised. Your position that we should stand at the top of the slope (allow unbounded danger in sport) is something that most of society feel is extreme.

Near the top of the slope: "open" sports divisions, allowing unlimited doping. Prizes awarded after six months, to any remaining contestants who still pass medical checkup.

Re: Sledding athletes are taking their lives

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This seems totally unacceptable. We should stop having this sport in the Olympics (implicitly supporting this madness) -- of course athletes are free to do as they chose, but we cannot encourage such pointless self-destruction and misery. An alternative to save the sport is completely redesign it to limit maximum accelerations. Usually injuries follow power laws so I doubt even that much reduction would be necessary…

>pointless self-destruction and misery. Maybe its pointless for you, fair enough but it can be meaningfull for other people, i myself think it's interesting.

This argument was had when Jackie Stewart campaigned to make Formula 1 safe. Fortunately he prevailed, but there were plenty of people - even other drivers - arguing that the danger was an intrinsic part of the sport.

Re: Sledding athletes are taking their lives

#116
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> but it's okay because he has a girlfriend to take care of him Is that okay?

Well that sentence is ambiguous. It could be that the guy on the skeleton team said the following: "I am a bit dopey, but it's okay because I have my girlfriend to take care of me"

That's the only way to read I was able to find. What's the other?

Re: Sledding athletes are taking their lives

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That sounds like r/imsosmart ... a simple low pass filter would be sufficient to negate the effects you talk about

Have you used a helmet before? They don't track the heads movement very well. It's not that they lag behind or anything, they just move in completely different directions willy nilly. Even tight ones will have much sharper acceleration changes as they bounce around. I regularly wear a full face helmet with tight fitment and straps and it is moving way more than my head is. Is that notsosmart enough?

Actually the whole point of having a helmet is to not have your head track its movements - if the acceleration transferred to your head would be the same as that suffered by the helmet, you might as well not wear one at all. Same as with old cars with a stiff body, where in an accident the passengers were subjected to almost the same deceleration as the front bumper. Using the front portion of the car as a crumple zone to reduce the deceleration of the passenger cabin was one of the first major safety improvements...

Re: Sledding athletes are taking their lives

#118

Isn't this a really small problem? If you were to sort by importance all the problems in the world, how close to the bottom would sledding athletes injurying themselves be? I feel sorry for those who already incurred lasting damage, but for the rest... it only depends on them to stop.

We can't have all people working just on most important problems. Many will just waste time doing this (me for example, I don't know how to end poverty), so we have to have people attached to many different problems. Now this problem may not be the most important, but still maybe if someone has time, she should look at it at least briefly?

Re: Sledding athletes are taking their lives

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post #107

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> it might have taken until 2013 for someone to measure its g force To be fair, measuring this sort of thing was pretty hard in the past, when cheap miniaturized sensors and memory didn't exist. I expect we will see more and more activities being re-evaluated now that tech is easily wearable.

You could do it with a weight on a spring, and a little pen attached to the weight.

That won’t handle the number of degrees of freedom a bobsled uses.

Re: Sledding athletes are taking their lives

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post #116

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Well that sentence is ambiguous. It could be that the guy on the skeleton team said the following: "I am a bit dopey, but it's okay because I have my girlfriend to take care of me"

That's the only way to read I was able to find. What's the other?

He says he’s a bit dopey, but I’m okay with that because he has a girlfriend to take care of him.
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