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Canada aims to ban single-use plastics by 2021

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Re: Canada aims to ban single-use plastics by 2021

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Do you expect a headline to tell you the whole story?

Why not 'reduce use of single-use plastics'? Or 'ban some'? Really easy to make the headline more truthful.

Not really necessary. A reasonable person would take it exactly how it was intended: "Canada will ban all single use plastics (except where health or safety are at stake)." It's kind of, you know, implied.

Of course they're not going to require that hospitals re-use syringes and the like.

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> I can understand the reversal of charging for shopping bags to encourage bringing reusable bags: reusable bags are potentially a disease vector. I don't understand the rationale of not letting me bag my own groceries in my own bag. I'm not asking them to touch it, anymore than I ask them to touch my fabric jacket. Nor am I aware of any evidence of covid transmission through proximity to textile bags. The ban seems…

The bagging is done on a counter or conveyer belt by laying your bag down and then packing it. That surface isn't sanitized before the next customers' food items and/or bag touches the exact same surface. Also note how the vast majority of reusable bags get transported: We compress them down with our hands and stuff them somewhere. Your hands have been all over the bags (unlike most parts of your jacket). Maybe resea…

Considering the other stores near me having implemented this, I don't think I'm the one being unreasonable. Meanwhile the same store still has employees offering to bag groceries for people, which means two employees standing near you and touching your food instead of one. If these measures were anything other than theatre pandering to the fearful, they'd stop offering to bag groceries for people. And for that matter, they'd get rid of the guy standing at the door too, or put him behind some plexiglass and have him signal people with semaphores or something. As it is, they have everybody shopping there walking next to the door guy for no good reason.

> Not everyone is out to get you.

Obviously they're not "out to get me", but I appreciate the subtle insinuation that I'm the one who's paranoid.

Re: Canada aims to ban single-use plastics by 2021

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Or sugar that used to come in cardboard boxes for decades now coming in plastic bags. And so many glass jars replaced by plastic.

I fail to see the harm in this. Who or what is harmed by an inert piece of plastic sitting safely in a landfill? Edit: this isn’t rhetoric, but a legitimate inquiry.

There is a leakage issue with plastic waste, and a bunch ends up in the ocean, in the wild where animals eat it, in the water table and so on.

Re: Canada aims to ban single-use plastics by 2021

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post #110

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The bagging is done on a counter or conveyer belt by laying your bag down and then packing it. That surface isn't sanitized before the next customers' food items and/or bag touches the exact same surface. Also note how the vast majority of reusable bags get transported: We compress them down with our hands and stuff them somewhere. Your hands have been all over the bags (unlike most parts of your jacket). Maybe resea…

Considering the other stores near me having implemented this, I don't think I'm the one being unreasonable. Meanwhile the same store still has employees offering to bag groceries for people, which means two employees standing near you and touching your food instead of one. If these measures were anything other than theatre pandering to the fearful, they'd stop offering to bag groceries for people. And for that matter…

I have no experience with the stores in your area or what they do or don't do. I was commenting on the bagging policy.

Do you have any on-topic arguments for why the bagging policy is unreasonable?

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I wonder what prevents them from bottling locally? It's cheaper and better for the environment. It feels like industries can always circumvent these one off laws. They should think of a whole framework of laws.

My understanding is that bottling and container manufacturing are fairly localized. Each large city will usually have a set of bottling plants, to reduce transportation cost. I think it is easy to underestimate how optimized production and distribution are.

Budweiser brews their beer at 12 different regional anchor breweries to optimize distribution. At Ohio State, Natural Light is a local beer.

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Can we all agree that plastic packaging has gotten ridiculous? If I buy toys for my kids they're 90% packaging, 10% toy... It's baffling. Who's the consumer demanding this?

Choking regulation, presumably. Another example: I just ordered a medical cannabis cartridge from a dispensary. It's about the size of a pen cap, but has more packaging than my iPhone and the childproofing is so difficult that I resort to stabbing the box with a knife; it's borderline adult proof. There is so much waste and excess in packaging, and I think the highly regulated cannabis industry in the U.S. is the worst offender these days.

Re: Canada aims to ban single-use plastics by 2021

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Or sugar that used to come in cardboard boxes for decades now coming in plastic bags. And so many glass jars replaced by plastic.

I fail to see the harm in this. Who or what is harmed by an inert piece of plastic sitting safely in a landfill? Edit: this isn’t rhetoric, but a legitimate inquiry.

No one, but that plastic could have been better used and as much new plastic wouldn't have to be produced. Earth is experiencing death by a thousand cuts, lets make it a hundred cuts if we can.

Re: Canada aims to ban single-use plastics by 2021

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Can we add cigarette filters to the list? If I had a penny for every ...

Removing ash trays from public life was one of the worst recent urban decisions we've made. People don't quit smoking because they can't find an ash tray, they just throw the butt on the ground and buy another pack, and no one cleans it up. Not too long ago, practically every building had one of those plastic post ash trays out front.

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Yes, it's a spell of idiotic faith that's somehow been cast over people. I've tried asking proponents of recycling about about this and the only answers I've managed to squeeze out of them are: 1) Landfills leach toxic chemicals into the water table. 2) Landfills are on scarce land which will run out oneday, making waste disposal more expensive. 3) It can be inconvenient to build over a landfill because you might hit…

> 2) Landfills are on scarce land which will run out oneday, making waste disposal more expensive. Case 2 is an interesting case, it's a startlingly widespread fear yet seems ridiculous when you think about it for more than a few seconds. Slate Star Codex concluded it's alarmism sparked in the 80s by the media's coverage of the Mobro 4000 trash barge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobro_4000 Point 5 ("5. More And Mor…

Oh, I've never heard of drowning in rubbish! With 5) I'm referring to geological effects causing landfill land to collapse and get washed away. That happened recently in New Zealand and a river ended up full of rubbish from a disused landfill.
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