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What would it mean to "ban" an app? Would they force Apple and Google not to distribute it? Would they set up a national firewall?
Just ask the app stores to ban them. The US couldn’t do anything more sophisticated right now, and that would solve most of their concerns.
it may work only on iOS
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Many countries have banned some or more services (especially uber and the like received many bans). But even if others didn't, it seems like a very weak argument to me.
Very few countries have banned to the extent of what the CCP did, walling off completely their internet. The CCP can't complain to get a taste of their own medicine here.
That's true, but the start of "they block our apps we should block all of them" seems to weirdly be china, but the argument is usually presented as a general obvious conclusion. I am very much in favor of banning apps that violate local laws and unfortunately that's what china does. So it's more the laws I don't like, not the ban in general. But this prevents me from accepting those bans (edit: banning them because they are chinese) in my (non-us) country.
> The CCP can't complain to get a taste of their own medicine here.
Sure they can. Everyone regularly complains about receiving their own medicine, including china and the us. But that's not the point.
The point is holding yourself, your nation and other nations to your actual standards, not to some arbitrary standards of others. I want my government to enact regulation that benefits the citizens, such as privacy regulations, and enforce it, I don't want them to use nebulous national security regulation to do whatever they want.
If possible, it should be clear what the requirements are so people can fulfil it. I really dislike arbitrarily enforceable laws where possibly everyone is in violation.
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Google is 1000 times more transparent company than ByteDance. It is OK to use US services for non-US countries.
> Google is 1000 times more transparent company than ByteDance. It is OK to use US services for non-US countries. Are we talking about freedom of speech? I 100% agree. Otherwise, I don't think Google is a good example. There are actually many bad cases among US and EU companies. Just consider a few blow ups that we had with Google (e.g. Street view), Cicso (the issue with NSA), RSA (also the story about NSA), Faceboo…
Kind of. But also more transparent western system makes private companies behave to avoid making the front page in the next scandal.
> Are we talking about freedom of speech?
We are talking about the level of public understanding of what’s going on inside the company. What data the company is collecting and where it sends it for example. (Please, note the transparency is not binary: we don’t know everything about Google, but we know much more about Google internals than about ByteDance).
It certainly seems like the world is bifurcating between FAANG and BATH for that reason.
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If you have some references to confirm your theory about Google and NSA, please share a link. Otherwise it is just ZOG theory. Also, the statement about “being in bed” is very vague and non informative.
Feigning ignorance doesn't make facts disappear.
It is absolutely foolish for any country other than China to allow TikTok within their borders. You might fairly ask whether or not it is equally foolish for non-US countries to use US services. I think that is also a reasonable question, and deserves reflection.
I'm not from the USA, but if I can choose if the USA, or China gets my data, I will choose the USA everytime. Sure, America does a lot of shady stuff, but the situation in China is just way worse in pretty much every way imaginable.
I guess, in general, within chinas sphere of influence you are better off having the us have your data and the other way around (e.g., ending up in a chinese prison is 'unlikely' while in europe the same way it's unlikely that ending on an american nofly list or in guantanamo is unlikely while in china). The countries inbetween or people traveling a lot would be more interesting.
Unfortunately, the most likely scenario is that everyone gets the data.
edit: I put "risk analysis" in quotes, because it doesn't feel like the right word for this hypothetical thing.
Did anyone analyze the traffic sent out by this app and found something not-nice?
Someone found this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23691190
This by itself is not compelling evidence.
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Hong Kong is part of China. Obviously going to China when you're a well known dissident is playing with fire. But I don't see what that has to do with banning apps from the app store for regular US users? This isn't actually news. Their are currently European and American citizens under arrest in Turkey, or Saudi Arabia say, has the US taken any Turkish apps from the app store? Or for that matter has the US currently…
>Hong Kong is part of China. Obviously going to China when you're a well known dissident is playing with fire. Up until VERY recently, you would have zero reason to fear being a political dissident in Hong Kong. That's kind of what these protests have been about. For the NSL in specific, the problem is that it's no longer just a 'You can get disappeared in China', but a 'You can get disappeared in a significant porti…
And hilariously enough in that GPS case, if I remember correctly the two offenders were Strava and Fitbit, which are American companies, who happened to just throw that information out to the public.
If you're concerned about the safety of Americans the point from the first post still stands, you're more likely to have your elections undermined by Facebook and CA than by the CCP.
It is absolutely foolish for any country other than China to allow TikTok within their borders. You might fairly ask whether or not it is equally foolish for non-US countries to use US services. I think that is also a reasonable question, and deserves reflection.
I'm not from the USA, but if I can choose if the USA, or China gets my data, I will choose the USA everytime. Sure, America does a lot of shady stuff, but the situation in China is just way worse in pretty much every way imaginable.