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Re: Not a Wheelchair [video]

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I think e-bike technology is going to get adapted to all sorts of new uses like this. I think there's a lot of opportunity to create great vehicles for people that will offer a good accessibility. https://rootedinrights.org/video/disabled-bikers/ This video shows bikers of many different abilities using many different kinds of bikes and it shows how versatile bikes can be for different people. I'm kinda curious why i…

It is an exciting time for sure. E-bike technology could change the world massively for the better.

Re: Not a Wheelchair [video]

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Compare to Swincar https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3lTz7OIPp7fscYDhig3Qyw/vid...

I like how the Swincar has a roll-cage. Even if the "Not a wheelchair" has a lower speed, and less off-road capabilities than the Swincar, it still seems like roll protection could be a useful safety system. I guess they're relying on the light[er] weight?

They might be able to sell a roll cage as an add-on. Probably most people won't need that but might be good for some. It looks like the frame would be simple to mount to.

Re: Not a Wheelchair [video]

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If they've gotten this far, they've already been iterating. In fact he says so at the beginning. "A year ago I welded two bicycles together..." Having built two recumbent vehicles (a bike and a trike) I can say that the options for a rear wheel drive are either: - Single wheel drive - Dual wheel drive with freewheeling action - The inside wheel is driven in turns - A differential - The outside wheel is driven in turn…

Almost think the ultimate solution here would be 2 motors, one per side, and skid steer action. Can then pivot in place, or turn at any radius desired. Would map quite naturally to the two joystick control system too. You can drive all 4 wheels then which will do even better off-road, and the suspension actually gets a lot simpler since you can totally do away with streering and all the assocaited geometry.

The problem with skid-steer is that it tears up surfaces with high-traction tires.

Re: Not a Wheelchair [video]

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4750USD doesn't sound extremely affordable for battery only up to 10 miles at best, so less than 5 miles one direction under ideal conditions. I dunno, I would expect at least better range from 4 wheels, simple body, suspension and electric enegine worth 4.8K. this seem like something worth max. half of the price they sell it for I fail to see benefit compared to ATV - I just checked some shops and you can buy brand…

ATVs are loud and often require use of legs to ride properly.

Re: Not a Wheelchair [video]

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I'm actually shocked how _little_ that costs. The price for a nice entry-level Carbon Frame XCO Race bike is right around $4k. Most eMTB fall into that price bracket. That's a good deal

Re: Not a Wheelchair [video]

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Your comment reminded me of a motorcycle racer I knew who was paralyzed from the waist down. He had a few funny stories about coming off his bike and having his legs broken and bent like a pretzel. The track martials would come over and just about faint at the sight of it, he often had to calm them down. He'd get looked over by the medics and drive himself to the hospital to get a cast put on.

That really can't be healthy for him, can it??

It's not something you should do deliberately for sure. Because he wasn't able to move his body weight on the bike the bike had to lean even further than any other rider so he was often very close to the edge. He also always had to start from the back because he had to have people to launch him.

Re: Not a Wheelchair [video]

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Most of the comments have criticized the price point for what you are getting; however, I would say this looks like a great quality of life tool for disabled individuals. If you are wheelchair bound, there are a number of terrains that a traditional wheelchair will not operate on. They even point this out with their rig on beach sand. There are designs that handle sandy terrain [1], but they would not work well on ot…

The price point for the beach wheelchair you linked is $2,440.00. That's about half the price of this rig, and it does not get you to the beach. You need to have (and park/stash?) another wheelchair for that. Oh and you have to have someone push you. By the way, I read @codekansas' comment [1] not as a warning about feature creep, but as a comment on the inertia in the medical industry (emphasis on "industry") versus…

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Re: Not a Wheelchair [video]

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Probably just fine. It seems they intend this mostly for use on soft surfaces, where the lack of a differential isn't really an issue, even on large vehicles, because the surface itself is compliant enough to make up for the lack of differential action. But even on a hard surface it might work just fine, because the turning radius looks pretty shallow. The advantage is that a solid axle is simple, cheap, reliable, an…

I mostly agree about the advantages, but two motors would be arguably simpler from a mechanical standpoint.

One drawback that I haven't seen mentioned yet, is single-wheel torque. If you look at the video, there is a pretty sizeable motor that's even geared down with a sprocket an chain. So there is a lot of torque and power available, and due to the solid axle, you can send it to a single wheel. This might be important in off-roading situations.

With direct drive motors, you have to make a pretty big compromise somewhere:

* Two smaller motors (same total power): drastically less torque per wheel

* Two larger motors (>2x total power): somewhat less torque per wheel (still don't have gearing!), cost, weight

If you're adamant on avoiding the solid axle, I think a good-ish solution might be hub motors on all four corners. That way you're far less likely to depend on a single wheel to get you moving.

Or alternatively, a locking diff in the rear (forget about LSDs). They usually provide some gear reduction, so you can skip the chain and drive it directly with the electric motor.

In short, the solid axle is a really good choice that you would be hard pressed to replace, without making a sizeable compromise somewhere.

Re: Not a Wheelchair [video]

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I mostly agree about the advantages, but two motors would be arguably simpler from a mechanical standpoint.

Then you have two motors instead of one, and either need an ESC that handles two motors or an additional ESC, and then electronics/software to make sure they work in tandem.

Yes, I agree. I was careful to say from a mechanical standpoint.

Re: Not a Wheelchair [video]

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I mostly agree about the advantages, but two motors would be arguably simpler from a mechanical standpoint.

But far more expensive. Likely the motor - possibly the batteries - is the most expensive part of the design.

Perhaps, but I don't think it would be impractical for something that's nearly $5,000 already. You would likely spec two smaller, cheaper motors; altogether it would cost more, but not as much as two of the motors it has now.
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