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Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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"PIA has grounded all its pilots who hold fake licenses, effective immediately." I would have thought anyone with a fake license was already grounded. It sounds like they knew this was an issue and just looked the other way.

I love the confidence they express in knowing all the pilots with fake licenses.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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I don't think most people appreciate the level of regulation that ensures safety and quality of life in Western countries. Go to many countries outside of that spectrum and you may still see beautiful architecture and more. Now did the team that worked on that project have the necessary experience to drive a safe and long lasting solution? Does the concrete and steel used follow good standards? This means that it may…

>Go to many countries outside of that spectrum and you may still see beautiful architecture and more. Now did the team that worked on that project have the necessary experience to drive a safe and long lasting solution? Does the concrete and steel used follow good standards? This means that it may not have critical structural problems today, but in 5 to 10 years, you may have to reconsider your infrastructure. By doi…

It's hard to think of a more critical design constraint than "don't collapse while there are people in the building."

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where in the report does it say that it was the plane and not the pilots that retracted the landing gear? As far as I know, there is nothing in the flight software that automatically deploys/retracts the landing gear, it's under the pilots control.

In the video linked above the gear stays retracted (with overspeed alarm sounding!) until the speed reduces. The speed doesn't reduce until they go-around and the engines fail. The gear then extends which bleeds airspeed, they turn hard, lose altitude and crash 1km short; with a massive loss of lives. It doesn't seem right that their approach could be so fast? So perhaps the pilots themselves lowered the gear. A comm…

I was talking about the first approach. On the second approach they did lower their gear, expecting to land. But both engines died and they lacked the power to reach the runway.

Back to the first approach, if you look at the report with the graph of the speed/altitude, the landing gear is retracted just after they are told by ATC to abort the landing and go around. See page 11.

https://www.caapakistan.com.pk/Upload/SIBReports/AAIB-431.pd...

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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I don't think most people appreciate the level of regulation that ensures safety and quality of life in Western countries. Go to many countries outside of that spectrum and you may still see beautiful architecture and more. Now did the team that worked on that project have the necessary experience to drive a safe and long lasting solution? Does the concrete and steel used follow good standards? This means that it may…

Apparently there's chatter in recent days on China's internet regarding the Three Gorges Dam, and how it's setting / warping due to reservoir backpressure (pictures in link): https://www.theepochtimes.com/experts-warn-of-chinas-three-g... Apparently there's heavy rainfall this year. 300-400 million people live below the dam. I'm unfamiliar with domestic travel restrictions within China, but I can't imagine it's gotte…

I don’t think concrete warps like that. If you check out the google satellite image, it really looks like a warped image.

I’d say the dam is fine.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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I don't think most people appreciate the level of regulation that ensures safety and quality of life in Western countries. Go to many countries outside of that spectrum and you may still see beautiful architecture and more. Now did the team that worked on that project have the necessary experience to drive a safe and long lasting solution? Does the concrete and steel used follow good standards? This means that it may…

Apparently there's chatter in recent days on China's internet regarding the Three Gorges Dam, and how it's setting / warping due to reservoir backpressure (pictures in link): https://www.theepochtimes.com/experts-warn-of-chinas-three-g... Apparently there's heavy rainfall this year. 300-400 million people live below the dam. I'm unfamiliar with domestic travel restrictions within China, but I can't imagine it's gotte…

I was about to reply that the same thing happened last year, but then I noticed that your link is also to an article from 2019. I wonder why it's become news again. Maybe because it's the rainy season right now?

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

#116

"PIA has grounded all its pilots who hold fake licenses, effective immediately." I would have thought anyone with a fake license was already grounded. It sounds like they knew this was an issue and just looked the other way.

It's concerning that they have such a specific number of pilots with fake licenses. It's not like this is something surprising that they're rushing to respond to, at least that's the impression I got from the article.

If the issue is that someone else is taking tests for the fakers, how do they know who's a faker? They could flag the obviously incompetent people for extra testing, and possibly some of them have been informed on, but how do they know precisely who is a faker? Some of the pilots have a military background (flew for the air force) so those can be presumed to be real pilots, but the rest?

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

#117

"PIA has grounded all its pilots who hold fake licenses, effective immediately." I would have thought anyone with a fake license was already grounded. It sounds like they knew this was an issue and just looked the other way.

I love the confidence they express in knowing all the pilots with fake licenses.

“It’s okay, we’ve made illegal stuff illegal now”

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

#118

I don't think most people appreciate the level of regulation that ensures safety and quality of life in Western countries. Go to many countries outside of that spectrum and you may still see beautiful architecture and more. Now did the team that worked on that project have the necessary experience to drive a safe and long lasting solution? Does the concrete and steel used follow good standards? This means that it may…

My folks witnessed a death as an adhoc concrete structure was pulled from a pier onto a person below. I guess noone anticipated someone would use the structure as a boat tie off point. By happenstance the person crushed was the person who put up the structure some decade or more back. I don't know if its callous but I only remarked that kind of structure would almost certainly be illegal in the US.

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an updated video from the same channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO5rXxJRmf4 I'd start at 4:50.

Why doesn't ATC demand they come in to line, the copilot didn't appear to explain the very high approach (7000ft when they should be 3000ft) ... is there a benefit to it?? First thing I learnt on a flight sim: slow down or you can't extend gear. Is the co-pilot allowed to smash the pilot in the face and take over when they realise they're ignoring basic instructions?

Well, it's his life on the line, so sure he's allowed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crew_resource_management

Re: Almost 1 in 3 pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses, aviation minister says

#120

"PIA has grounded all its pilots who hold fake licenses, effective immediately." I would have thought anyone with a fake license was already grounded. It sounds like they knew this was an issue and just looked the other way.

I love the confidence they express in knowing all the pilots with fake licenses.

I haven't checked, but is the original comment even in English? It could be translated, in which case I would not read too much into the tone.
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