The Harm of Studying Abroad • Hacker News Board

Re: The Harm of Studying Abroad

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Post by jeegsy » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 6:26 PM UTC

powersnail wrote: post #9

The whole article rings false to me. Although I get that it's Zhang's personal experience, but the reasoning makes zero sense, and it feels like he just wanted to vent. Some of the points seemingly have nothing to do with studying abroad, but the nature of the university he attended, for example, > First, you have no time. You read a lot but there’s no time to think. This is has nothing to do with being a foreigner,…

I hope you mean amiable in the literal sense and not as some sort of quality associated with a white person.

Re: The Harm of Studying Abroad

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Post by dang » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 8:15 PM UTC

buzzkillington wrote: post #70

wonnage wrote: post #38

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This is an exasperating bit of casual racism I see all the time. A Chinese person has said something you disagree with, they must have no personal agency, they must be trying to curry favor with the government! the CPC is not Santa Claus, ffs

Are you suggesting that the CPC is ingrained in the DNA of all Chinese? I fail to see how criticizing a political system is racist otherwise.

That's obviously not what the parent comment was saying. Would you please stop taking HN threads further into nationalistic, ideological, or political, or any, flamewar? We ban accounts that do this, you've done it repeatedly, and we've asked you already to stop.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The Harm of Studying Abroad

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Post by dang » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 8:16 PM UTC

president wrote: post #64

Dahoon wrote: post #60

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Chinese person saying something you don't believe yourself? Must be a brainwashed party drone! Sigh, the racism is running wild on HN too. It really is becoming the new Reddit.

Since when is making a plausible quip "racism"? It is common knowledge that public statements made by Chinese citizens are scrutinized by the government and are effectively "filtered". People like you have completely diluted the meaning of the word.

We've asked you multiple times to stop doing nationalistic flamewar on HN. This comment crosses into personal attack as well. Moreover, it looks like you've been using HN primarily for ideological or political battle. We ban accounts that do these things. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and fix this.

Re: The Harm of Studying Abroad

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Post by dang » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 8:19 PM UTC

Dahoon wrote: post #60

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #18

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Could just be a resume building puff piece to help him rise in the party machinery.

Chinese person saying something you don't believe yourself? Must be a brainwashed party drone! Sigh, the racism is running wild on HN too. It really is becoming the new Reddit.

Please do not take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. It's a form of hell that we don't need here. Instead, please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here. Note that they include:

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

Re: The Harm of Studying Abroad

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Post by dang » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 8:20 PM UTC

wonnage wrote: post #95

president wrote: post #64

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Since when is making a plausible quip "racism"? It is common knowledge that public statements made by Chinese citizens are scrutinized by the government and are effectively "filtered". People like you have completely diluted the meaning of the word.

You are asserting that no public statement by a Chinese person can be trusted, how is that not racist

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

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Re: The Harm of Studying Abroad

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Post by dang » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 8:20 PM UTC

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #63

Dahoon wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese person saying something you don't believe yourself? Must be a brainwashed party drone! Sigh, the racism is running wild on HN too. It really is becoming the new Reddit.

You seem to have glossed over all the self-satisfied puffery about lazy Westerners. Throw in a quote from the Classics, doubleplusgood. What do you think is the career trajectory for a lawyer in China?

Please do not use HN for nationalistic or ideological flamewar.

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Re: The Harm of Studying Abroad

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Post by bluntfang » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 8:36 PM UTC

jariel wrote: post #83

bluntfang wrote: post #47

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Or option B: american racism doesn't stop at blacks.

So when's the last time you had someone very foreign, who had difficulties with language and no social context over for beers? Most people don't hate or even loathe foreigners and certainly not Asians, but social circles everywhere tend to be pretty narrow. He may have had some nice students or profs invite him on the occasional thing out of social courtesy and genuine interest, but people really far from one another…

>So when's the last time you had someone very foreign, who had difficulties with language and no social context over for beers?

I work with a diverse group of individuals and go out for socialization at least once a month with my foreign peers who don't speak my language as their first language and were born and raised in another country.

>I don't think hostile language is where we need to go.

When the POTUS is demonizing Chinese people by saying things like "the china virus" it makes people not want to interact with Chinese people. Language is very important, and hostile language, especially against different nationalities, is an easy step.

Re: The Harm of Studying Abroad

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Post by buzzkillington » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 9:10 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #112

buzzkillington wrote: post #70

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Are you suggesting that the CPC is ingrained in the DNA of all Chinese? I fail to see how criticizing a political system is racist otherwise.

That's obviously not what the parent comment was saying. Would you please stop taking HN threads further into nationalistic, ideological, or political, or any, flamewar? We ban accounts that do this, you've done it repeatedly, and we've asked you already to stop. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Kind of funny you're not banning any of the spam CPC accounts here promoting nationalistic, ideological, and political flames the second you point out the CPC is the only country in the world running actual concentration camps for minorities.

Re: The Harm of Studying Abroad

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Post by dang » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 9:40 PM UTC

buzzkillington wrote: post #118

dang wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's obviously not what the parent comment was saying. Would you please stop taking HN threads further into nationalistic, ideological, or political, or any, flamewar? We ban accounts that do this, you've done it repeatedly, and we've asked you already to stop. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Kind of funny you're not banning any of the spam CPC accounts here promoting nationalistic, ideological, and political flames the second you point out the CPC is the only country in the world running actual concentration camps for minorities.

People accuse us of secretly siding with their enemies when they get moderated. That's cheap and frankly rather silly. The opposite side makes the opposite accusations.

Re "spam CPC accounts", concoctions like that are also a cheap-and-rather-silly thing that internet users come up with when they don't like what other internet users say. It's common, poisonous, and inevitably so vacuous that we have a site rule against it- see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

If you had evidence of abuse, you should be emailing it to hn@ycombinator.com so we can look at the actual data. Comments expressing views that go against your own views is not evidence of abuse, it's merely evidence that divisive topics are divisive, which we all know already.

Re: The Harm of Studying Abroad

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Post by L_Rahman » Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 7:55 PM UTC

dondawest wrote: post #101

L_Rahman wrote: post #32

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In the interest of intellectual honesty, it's possible that I'm an extreme outlier in this respect. I've spent the last year traveling around the world, I find it really easy to share emotional vulnerability with strangers, and I've made meaningful connections with people in every country I've lived in for more than a week. This is likely not true for most people.

In the interest of intellectual honesty, I just wanted to say that I’m an awesome person and I am literally so cool. This is likely not true for most people.

I respect the call out in this comment.