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Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Equating a desire for sex with women with misogyny is in itself discriminatory. I'm not sure if its discriminatory against women or against men, maybe just both, but its certainly one of them.

That's not the mysoginistic part.

Please do not confuse misogyny with facts. If he said "I would to that and that would have worked because women are like this" that would be misogyny. But stating something he tried and did succeed is a fact.

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

#112
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I "participated" in a less nefarious strategy. In 2010, when the collection of short stories "Machine of Death" was about to be released, the editor Ryan North asked us not to pre-order. Instead, he suggested that we all wait and purchase the book on the same day from Amazon. The strategy worked -- the book was #1 in its category that day, which certainly led to increased sales over time. Probably didn't hurt that it…

> Instead, he suggested that we all wait and purchase the book on the same day from Amazon. The strategy worked -- the book was #1 in its category that day. In my instagram marketing last decade thats what we did. While others were imagining that people "buy likes", or actually were dealing with bots, we were doing this for our clients. Basically you get meme accounts to do a promotion of a profile that is currently…

Thanks for the information! Could you share how much does it cost to create "one of the popular quickly and cheaply grown accounts to slide into the DMs of local women"? E.g., let's say I wanna create another meme account with 5k followers, how much shall I pay for other meme accounts for a promotion on average? And I was always thinking that the engagement ratio is low for meme accounts, any information about it?

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Can you elaborate on how you would acknowledge that valid reality? Is there a different wording you would use if it was indeed common and accurate outcome? From my perspective there is no contempt, only circumvention and the reason why.

Before claiming that group X does Y to cause outcome Z that is unpleasant to someone, it is worth considering: 1. Is Y really a behavior exclusive to group X? 2. Is behavior Y fair to generalize across members of group X? 3. Is outcome Z the intended purpose of behavior Y, or is a side-effect that someone might take painfully? For example, the sentiment of “In general on dating apps, women are funneling people to the…

I have LinkedIn profile and ignore it. HRs may say it loud, sorry, most of the time I do not seek job offer. Would I respond if someone I value send me an email? Government: "Only you can save Earth from Aliens". Hell, yeah!

It is not language that hurts, it is what behind it. I see nothing wrong behind original sentence. In yours I feel lie - there is something shameful, something that can't be said.

Also you've changed "dating apps users" to "any attractive person" which is awful judgement. Population versus gamers of one particular style.

This style strongly reminds me of George Orwells "Politics and the English Language" (1946), I hope it will not live.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_and_the_English_Langu...

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

#114

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Before claiming that group X does Y to cause outcome Z that is unpleasant to someone, it is worth considering: 1. Is Y really a behavior exclusive to group X? 2. Is behavior Y fair to generalize across members of group X? 3. Is outcome Z the intended purpose of behavior Y, or is a side-effect that someone might take painfully? For example, the sentiment of “In general on dating apps, women are funneling people to the…

I have LinkedIn profile and ignore it. HRs may say it loud, sorry, most of the time I do not seek job offer. Would I respond if someone I value send me an email? Government: "Only you can save Earth from Aliens". Hell, yeah! It is not language that hurts, it is what behind it. I see nothing wrong behind original sentence. In yours I feel lie - there is something shameful, something that can't be said. Also you've cha…

> I have LinkedIn profile and ignore it.

I also ignore my LinkedIn, but I would not mind it being popular just in case I lose all existing customers and need a gig for whatever reason.

With that in mind, imagine I link to my LinkedIn from my Instagram (let’s imagine my Instagram is very popular), and then see some tired headhunter tweeting “In general on Instagram, software engineers are funneling recruiters to their LinkedIn profile to ignore them”.

Whoever wrote that would come across as a needy, frustrated, and possibly as someone who thinks I’m obligated to respond to their messages; but until recruiters start to ambush us engineers in dark alleys I’m not going to worry much about that claim, even though it’s factually incorrect.

Now, that scenario becomes a bit more charged with a claim that plays to gender stereotypes and generalizes across a group with a history of discrimination and violence against.

> I see nothing wrong behind original sentence.

I will rephrase.

The original sentence, addressed to a group of supposedly mostly men, attributes scheming or malicious intent (“funnel to ignore”) to something that women do.

The wrongness of it is akin to the wrongness of a broke person saying that Apple with its ads “funnels people into stores to withhold shiny gadgets from them”. (Apple is not the only company that advertises; that’s not why it advertises; etc.)

The difference is, in our culture as it is now Apple can’t possibly take damage from such a statement, while women regularly suffer violence from men. Why add fuel to this fire if you can express the same idea without?

(EDIT: rephrased.)

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

#115
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I "participated" in a less nefarious strategy. In 2010, when the collection of short stories "Machine of Death" was about to be released, the editor Ryan North asked us not to pre-order. Instead, he suggested that we all wait and purchase the book on the same day from Amazon. The strategy worked -- the book was #1 in its category that day, which certainly led to increased sales over time. Probably didn't hurt that it…

> Instead, he suggested that we all wait and purchase the book on the same day from Amazon. The strategy worked -- the book was #1 in its category that day. In my instagram marketing last decade thats what we did. While others were imagining that people "buy likes", or actually were dealing with bots, we were doing this for our clients. Basically you get meme accounts to do a promotion of a profile that is currently…

A couple of quick questions if you don't mind, since I don't use ig but I'm trying to understand your post:

> Basically you get meme accounts to do a promotion of a profile that is currently private

Is this as crude as looking for large accounts on socialblade and sending them DMs? Or is there some kind of marketplace? Are there popular forums or something I should know about? What kind of pricing are you looking for?

> all the followers to a private profile get queued up, you can queue them up in the thousands or hundreds of thousands

Why would people follow a private profile anyway? I don't see what the user gains from that. Maybe this is an instagram culture thing that I'm out of the loop on?

> For myself I have used one of the popular quickly and cheaply grown accounts to slide into the DMs of local women.

What kind of content would your accounts post? Do you have some kind of feed of popular content (imgur maybe?) where you can copy content and repost? Do you automate that?

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

#116
post #96

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> In general on dating apps, women are funneling people to their instagram profile to ignore them. If you have a popular account its a night and day difference.

Can you elaborate on how you would acknowledge that valid reality? Is there a different wording you would use if it was indeed common and accurate outcome? From my perspective there is no contempt, only circumvention and the reason why.

It’s not a “valid reality”, it’s the anecdotal experience of someone who uses dating apps to collect attractive women. In general, this is not how women behave on dating apps. This is how models who are obviously self-promoting through dating apps behave; it’s only your general experience because this is clearly what you are drawn to.

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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I have LinkedIn profile and ignore it. HRs may say it loud, sorry, most of the time I do not seek job offer. Would I respond if someone I value send me an email? Government: "Only you can save Earth from Aliens". Hell, yeah! It is not language that hurts, it is what behind it. I see nothing wrong behind original sentence. In yours I feel lie - there is something shameful, something that can't be said. Also you've cha…

> I have LinkedIn profile and ignore it. I also ignore my LinkedIn, but I would not mind it being popular just in case I lose all existing customers and need a gig for whatever reason. With that in mind, imagine I link to my LinkedIn from my Instagram (let’s imagine my Instagram is very popular), and then see some tired headhunter tweeting “In general on Instagram, software engineers are funneling recruiters to their…

Your profile would not be usual.

I don't understand what's going on with gender speech.

No matter how I want I can't give birth to baby. Not carry, not breastfeed. This results in different roles in hunter-gatherer society, optimized in genes throughout millennia.

We should have same rights but we can't expect same results. We have different stats, we have different brains (hormones whatever). Even children. Boys compete a lot and are in material science. Girls builds groups. It is awesome to watch. Like girls emotional intellect on average is much higher. And boys EQ is much dumber.

I believe I can say this. But for some reason in games based on EQ... no, we should be equal.

I dance salsa. It is very asymmetric social dance. Man and woman have very distinct roles and we enjoy it a lot. Woman waits for invitation, man can invite, woman can reject. Thus balance is formed. Each dance starts with mini game - invite the one who wants to dance with you. And it is all just for fun. Also men are not expected to reject. I've seen woman inviting men on each dance, that ends badly - exploitation of rules - loss of goodwill. A month later noone invites her, rejected by society. Hope it shows that "ignore" is not bad in some cultures.

We should grew respect to who we are and each other. Accept strong and weak sides. That is the best antidote against unreasonable expectations.

Sorry, but I think your understanding is just a reflection of yourself.

More accurate and neutral rewrite would be speech from personal experience:

> Woman I've contacted on dating apps overwhelmingly respond to popular account, otherwise ignore.

Like nothing changed at all. No excuses, no expectations just naked truth. That's how it should be read.

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

#118

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not to mention that you get what you deserve wrt. the outcomes / kind of people this attracts. honestly, seems like good matchmaking to me-- shallow meets shallow.

If it works for him, that's his business. No one asked for your judgements.

Would you say the same thing if a spammer posted here saying how they managed to make money off of email spam?

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

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Did they really spent $25,488 and consider it as a "small fee" to be the first in box office?! According to the TV news this morning, yes, they did buy all of the tickets themselves. Which kinda makes the "$0 Budget" headline a little iffy. $0 to make the film. But $26k to achieve their goal.

FTA- "Four-walling is when distributors rent out a movie theatre and buy all the seats," Mr Tabach, who used to work at BuzzFeed making viral videos, explained. "So they pay a flat fee to the theatre, and any money they make off seats goes straight into their pockets. The moment we realised that was an option of distribution, we went for it." They pay the fee to the theater, but as the distributor of the film they th…

Sounds to me like they're renting the theater, so they can then sell tickets they way they want. So they "sell" the tickets to themselves. They pay rent, then the ticket sales are a wash, but can be reported as "ticket sales."

Re: Unsubscribe: The $0-budget movie that ‘topped the US box office’

#120
post #15

While reading this I wondered how they ended up at a box office of $25,488. Did they really spent $25,488 and consider it as a "small fee" to be the first in box office?! If I interpret the information about "four-walling" correctly, they actually paid the Cinema a much smaller fee to get all seats, but can then report all money they make of these seats as Box Office earnings. The Westhampton Beach Theater has 425 se…

To me it sounds like they basically just lied to the maintainers of the BoxOfficeMojo list, because it’s a list of revenue, and their movie did not create any revenue at all, even though they rented a cinema and did five screenings, nobody paid to see the movie.
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