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The Looming Bank Collapse

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a moral argument against the inherent exploitation involved in usury. No one denies the time value of money, it's about how to extract that value morally and ethically, and not at the expense of the needy.

What are you proposing as a solution? Is this a situation along the lines of “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others”? People with capital need an incentive to provide it to people without capital. You can argue reasonably that the distribution of capital isn’t “fair” but to argue there should be no interest charged seems irrational. Help me understand your position.

There are true risk sharing models that do not involve interest. For example, I want to start a business, instead of taking a interest-bearing loan, I have someone invest in my business in return for equity. This way, risk is shared by both (or more) of us. If the business fails, we both lost effort and money and time. If it succeeds, we both profit.

With lending money, there's usually a collateral involved. If the borrower defaults, then the lender simply comes after his property, taking more than what was originally lent, purely by the passing of time (which accrues interest).

When you read about student loans for instance, especially higher loans for people who go into law or med schools, how even after those people are employed and making good money, their outstanding amounts barely budge (or even accrue) even after a while. This is unjust, unfair, unethical, and exploitative.

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Idiotic article. First a CLO is essentially a portfolio of loans. You can call that gambling, and in a way, every financial risk is gambling, but it is the very job of a bank to take credit risk, and to lend. Then, I don't know about Wells specifically, but it is possible that these CLOs may not even be external transactions, that the bank securitised its own loans so that it stands ready to post them to the central…

It will likely cause massive inflation but it may not cause much of an increase in CPI. I think economists ought to redefine inflation. CPI is not the same as inflation. CPI metrics have been thoroughly gamed decades ago and they're essentially meaningless.

Almost all of the monetary inflation these days shows up in the markets as inflated asset prices and does not show up in the CPI.

If you believe that bare sustenance of the working class is the only thing that matters, you could argue that this distinction is not significant... But growing wealth inequality is causing concentration of political power, distorting markets, regulating small businesses out of existence, creating useless corporate jobs, driving up rents, eroding privacy rights, eroding democracy, eroding freedom of speech, creating division (Milton Friedman even warned us about this in the 70s), encouraging unethical business practices (surveillance capitalism)... I think we're well beyond the point where we can sweep these problems under the carpet. They have become existential problems for society and they are caused by wealth inequality brought about by asset price inflation and accompanying stock buybacks (often paid for using interest-free printed credit from banks).

We live in a feudal society - But unfortunately for the plutocrats, they cannot use god's will as an excuse to justify their current position in society... The more time passes, the more people become aware of systematic cronyism, the more untenable the plutocrats' positions will be.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A loan is when someone sells money. The interest is the profit to compensate for the risk. Is all profit, (including that derived from selling labour) to be thought of as theft? Should everyone sell everything at cost to avoid "exploiting" others?

Selling money is unethical because of the inherent exploitation involved, by taking advantage of someone who is in need of it. No one is saying not to make profit, just do it properly. You can rationalize interest as being compensated for risk, but it doesn't make any less exploitative. We have already seen how the economy keeps getting screwed, yet we don't learn.

"Selling money is unethical because of the inherent exploitation involved, by taking advantage of someone who is in need of it"

This logic holds no water. The great majority of things sold are sold to people to need them. Why should money be any exception?

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America can afford to prop it up for as long as the dollar is in demand for international trade, and she will use her naval superiority to make sure of that

OK now I'm worried. Our navy seems unequal to the task of not running into other ships by mistake.

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> Our system is 100% entirely dependent upon ARTIFICIALLY low interest rates There is no such thing as "artificial" or "natural" rates of interest. > Central banks are doing everything in their power to keep interest rates low because if they were to tick up even a little bit, the whole house of cards will come toppling down. Why would, or should, they "tick up"? Capital is abundant. If rates were higher, things woul…

>There is no such thing as "artificial" or "natural" rates of interest. In a sense this is semantically correct, there is no one true interest rate, in a hypothetical pure market there are many rates for many different types of transactions. But to say that wildly misses the point that the rates for all transactions are hugely skewed, all in the same direction, because a single player, who writes the laws, and prints…

I just want to take a moment to note that capitalists are lobbying the central government over a difference of opinion about interest rates, asking the central planners to adjust The Number.

...And several Russian novelists burst out laughing in their graves.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the correct context. What does that $29.7 billion represent in counterparty or systematic risk?

Do you know what a CLO is...?

Do CLO portfolios of major banks pose any systemic risk, yes or no?

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Do CLO portfolios of major banks pose any systemic risk, yes or no?

Systemic? No.

Do you know what a CLO is...?

Or maybe you were born in 2009?

FSB:

"Available data indicates that banks have the largest direct exposures to leveraged loans and CLOs. These exposures are concentrated among a limited number oflarge global banks and have a significant cross-border dimension.

... A number of non-bank investors are also exposed to leveraged loan and CLO markets. These include investment funds, insurance companies, pension funds, broker-dealers and holding companies.

... A comprehensive assessment of the system-wide implications of the exposures of financial institutions to leveraged loans and CLOs is challenging.

... These exposures are generally concentrated among a limited number of banks. These banks’ exposures to leveraged loans and CLOs, on a fully drawn basis, are significant relative to their capital adequacy ratios.

"Similar to other markets, the leveraged loan and CLO markets include direct and indirect forms of interconnectedness, both within and across borders. Direct interconnectedness arises from links in the intermediation chain, from origination and distribution of leveraged loans to securitisation by CLO manager.

... Through these direct links, shocks to the leveraged loan and CLO markets could transmit risks to financial intermediaries not directly exposed to such markets.

... Indirect interconnectedness can arise in the form of common exposures of banks and non-banks to leveraged loans and CLOs, and could provide an avenue for contagion among financial institutions."

https://www.fsb.org/wp-content/uploads/P191219.pdf

Fed:

"Similarly, vulnerabilities stemming from leveraged lending were increasing through mid-February 2020, as demand remained strong while credit standards stayed weak. Issuance came to a halt at the end of February, as investors became more cautious and attentive to volatility in financial markets...

Defaults on leveraged loans ticked up in February and March and are likely to continue to increase, with the specific contour highly dependent on the path of overall economic activity. Such developments would weaken the balance sheets of lenders, including CLOs that hold leveraged loans, and amplify the economic effects of COVID-19."

https://www.federalreserve.gov/publications/files/financial-...

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From an outsider living a long way from USA, for many years now I haven't understood how the financial instruments of USA work. It constantly looks like the country is merely printing more money to stay afloat.

>It constantly looks like the country is merely printing more money to stay afloat.

That's basically what's been happening since 2008. The main lesson the Economics profession learned from the Great Depression is that it's better to prevent a full-on depression by any means available than to let it occur and rebuild afterwards. Rebuilding after that level of economic destruction is long and arduous, better to preserve what you have. That's what the 2008 GFC would have caused (or worse) if not for extensive US govt and Fed preventative measures.

The modern means of doing that is for the government to deficit spend and for the central bank to pump the financial system full of cheap or free credit. Problem now is, nobody sees a way of unwinding the deficits and cheap credit without causing the depression they were trying to prevent.

Neither political party has the political will to balance the budget and be the cause of the resulting economic pain. Republicans convince themselves we can outgrow the deficits by cutting taxes, and Dems convince themselves that Modern Monetary Theory will spur growth and limit inflation enough to outgrow the deficits. The Fed tried early in the Trump admin to raise rates back to normality, and the market started crashing again, so they stopped. We're stuck.

It's the most consequential economic experiment since the US left gold standard, and nobody knows how it will turn out. Imho our best hope is for a gradual devaluation of the Dollar and a soft landing, avoiding a major shock. But under precarious circumstances like these, unpredictable shocks are a distinct, if not likely, possibility.

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