Wikipedia is over. Mark my words.
Wikipedia Lost 3B Organic Search Visits to Google in 2019
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Re: Wikipedia Lost 3B Organic Search Visits to Google in 2019
#112> ...zero-click results have cost Wikipedia’s English language subdomain tens of millions of organic visits. > ...Google was able to steal over 550 million clicks from Wikipedia in six months... "Cost"? "Steal"?! This would make sense if Wikipedia were ad-supported. But Google saves Wikipedia money by requiring less servers to support traffic. And Wikipedia is open content , you literally can't steal from it -- being…
As the article points out, the problem isn't specifically that this harms Wikipedia, it's that this practice harms pretty much every for profit business that Google does this to. Pretty much every company in an established space that Google has entered, is losing traffic and thus revenue due to this practice: Yelp, any flight/hotel/tourism based company, video hosting sites, weather data sites, the list goes on and o…
> But in the long term
In long term, there won't be free content for Google to scrape and display in search results knowledge graphs as ad supported / free content businesses shut down. Of course, google can create its own content and does so to feed the knowledge graphs, but it's way more expensive to do so. And the math might not be worth it for google manufacture from scratch all this content.
So then folks won't use google, but will they go direct to Yelp 2030? Will there be Yelp 2030?
Re: Wikipedia Lost 3B Organic Search Visits to Google in 2019
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wikipedia spends more than that only for "Donation processing expenses". Of course it is a nice contribution but, in my opinion, very small if compared to the huge value that Google is able to get for free. https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/2018-annual-report/fin...
I was going to be even more cynical and say that 3 million sounds absolutely pathetic relative to the scale of both entities, and given how important it is to the quality of Google’s search results.
I would be even more cynical and say that $3 million is more than enough to cover all of Wikipedia's expenses and that the rest is bureaucratic fluff.
Re: Wikipedia Lost 3B Organic Search Visits to Google in 2019
#114> ...zero-click results have cost Wikipedia’s English language subdomain tens of millions of organic visits. > ...Google was able to steal over 550 million clicks from Wikipedia in six months... "Cost"? "Steal"?! This would make sense if Wikipedia were ad-supported. But Google saves Wikipedia money by requiring less servers to support traffic. And Wikipedia is open content , you literally can't steal from it -- being…
As the article points out, the problem isn't specifically that this harms Wikipedia, it's that this practice harms pretty much every for profit business that Google does this to. Pretty much every company in an established space that Google has entered, is losing traffic and thus revenue due to this practice: Yelp, any flight/hotel/tourism based company, video hosting sites, weather data sites, the list goes on and o…
well, it shouldn't be "legal" for one or cartel corporation to mediate between content/data and its users. its downright dystopian.
Re: Wikipedia Lost 3B Organic Search Visits to Google in 2019
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you have Firefox I would suggest that you go on Wikipedia.org, right-click the search box, click "Add keyword to this search", and pick a keyword. This makes it faster to find information that you know is on Wikipedia.
In chrome you can type en.wikipedia.org and hit tab. For me it will autocomplete if you just type en.
The default is the whole domain (and it also works with other sites, like "amazon.com query"), but you can also change the keyword for it. For several years I've had "wp" as the keyword for wikipedia searches, and it works in both Firefox and Chrome. I just type "wp whatever my query is", no tab needed, and it will take me directly to the result.
Re: Wikipedia Lost 3B Organic Search Visits to Google in 2019
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you have Firefox I would suggest that you go on Wikipedia.org, right-click the search box, click "Add keyword to this search", and pick a keyword. This makes it faster to find information that you know is on Wikipedia.
Chrome has had custom search engine keywords since day one (yes, I actually went to locate a day-one article on this feature[1]). Not sure why every time this topic comes up someone has to mention it as if it’s some sort of Firefox secret sauce, complete with weird replies like if you are “stuck on Chromium” you can emulate this with a pointless round trip to DuckDuckGo. [1] https://searchengineland.com/searching-wit…
Agreed. I've had "en" as my keyword for Wikipedia searches on Chrome since 2008...
Re: Wikipedia Lost 3B Organic Search Visits to Google in 2019
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Re: Wikipedia Lost 3B Organic Search Visits to Google in 2019
#118Re: Wikipedia Lost 3B Organic Search Visits to Google in 2019
#119Can you use noindex to stop Google from crawling your site but allow other search engines?
Re: Wikipedia Lost 3B Organic Search Visits to Google in 2019
#120On the other hand, wikipedia's use of nofollow makes it pretty clear they don't want a level playing field. What makes wikipedia great is all the references it builds on, yet those same references never get any "link juice".