I'm resigning from my job at Facebook • Hacker News Board

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by thrwaway69 » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 2:39 PM UTC

pedro_hab wrote: post #62

This is all nonsense to me. Trump said if you loot, you get shot. Isn't this how our society works? If you steal you may end up getting shot. People are trying to react as if he said "if you walk down the street you'll get shot". Sensitive topic, I guess. * EDIT: The nonsense part is people calling Trump to be censored, like OP. I am not condoning violence but I do think looting may lead to it, it's not too far from…

Here's the clarification - https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/12664341539328942...

(I don't have any opinions on above. Just putting it here)

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by guerrilla » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 2:39 PM UTC

blickentwapft wrote: post #14

ordinaryradical wrote: post #8

He’s standing up for what he believes. You can disagree with his convictions, but you should admire anyone who risks personal and financial consequences for sticking to their guns. That’s what actual morality is—not just a “belief” that is talked about but acted upon even when the results will be costly.

It’s a highly privileged position to be in to make a personal stand and leave your $250,000 job for another $250,000 job. Not judging this way or that, just saying.

> Not judging this way or that, just saying.

Simply adding this to your post doesn't make it true. Clearly you've judged it to not be as valuable of an act as it could have been.

Not saying you're being dismisve, just saying.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by ddalex » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 2:39 PM UTC

linsomniac wrote: post #80

I wonder if this is related to JWZ's call yesterday for Facebook employees to quit. [edit: Removed link. JWZ: Not cool. Archive.org link in reply below]

JWZ links to disgusting image when accessed with HN as referrer, I suggest you remove this link.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by ranci » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 2:39 PM UTC

What if I told you I don't care?

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by cheez » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 2:39 PM UTC

blickentwapft wrote: post #14

ordinaryradical wrote: post #8

He’s standing up for what he believes. You can disagree with his convictions, but you should admire anyone who risks personal and financial consequences for sticking to their guns. That’s what actual morality is—not just a “belief” that is talked about but acted upon even when the results will be costly.

It’s a highly privileged position to be in to make a personal stand and leave your $250,000 job for another $250,000 job. Not judging this way or that, just saying.

No one is going to hire him.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by thomasfedb » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 2:39 PM UTC

majewsky wrote: post #67

human wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Listening to that argument is a clear “catch 22”. If he quits his job, it’s not much of a stance but obviously staying is not a stance either. What was he supposed to do? I think that in a capitalist country we choose who we buy from and who we work for. These are two powerful choices that can shape society. He’s doing the right thing.

> obviously staying is not a stance either This is not obvious to me.

I think the suggestion here is: if you are in a position to leave your job, and you do not, then than is implicit support for your employer.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by macspoofing » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 2:39 PM UTC

I respect the moral stance he took, though that this is a public open letter is a little self-serving (but even with that quitting a well-paying job in the midst of a pandemic and a huge recession is not easy).

I disagree wholeheartedly with his position that Facebook should be wading into politics and interpreting Trump's tweets and posts because with Trump (and even politics in general) everything is in the eye of the beholder. It's one of the most frustrating things with the Trump presidency where the same statement will be interpreted in WILDLY different ways by those that hate Trump and those that love Trump. The most surreal example of this was when Trump called MS-13 members 'Animals' and it was interpreted by many people and the media as a dog-whistle that all immigrants are 'animals'. Trump for sure brings this bad faith on himself with his temperment, but that just reinforces the view that a platform like Facebook should wade into this quagmire with trepidation because once you get in, you open a pandora's box of unintended consequences.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by Tade0 » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 2:40 PM UTC

blickentwapft wrote: post #14

ordinaryradical wrote: post #8

He’s standing up for what he believes. You can disagree with his convictions, but you should admire anyone who risks personal and financial consequences for sticking to their guns. That’s what actual morality is—not just a “belief” that is talked about but acted upon even when the results will be costly.

It’s a highly privileged position to be in to make a personal stand and leave your $250,000 job for another $250,000 job. Not judging this way or that, just saying.

Imagine the damage to the business for not having someone creating more than $250k of value annually.

Of course at Facebook's scale it's a small number, but given the damage to their reputation, they will have to take note once this crosses critical mass.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by ogre_codes » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 2:40 PM UTC

lallysingh wrote: post #15

pluc wrote: post #7

If you resign from Facebook and don't tell anyone, have you really resigned?

If it's for principle, then you have to say why. Silent protest isn't.

> Silent protest isn't.

Sure it is. If you boycott a company for doing something bad, you damage that company regardless of whether you are shouting from the rooftops or whispering it in a basement.

When outsiders see a given Facebook resignation, it does send a message, but even if they quit silently, Facebook's management sees employees leaving. While Facebook's exec team clearly doesn't give a damn about doing what's right, they absolutely care about keeping costs down and employee retention is a big cost for these companies.

Re: I'm resigning from my job at Facebook

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Post by brenden2 » Thu, Jun 04, 2020, 2:40 PM UTC

I appreciate anyone who has the courage to do this. I've done it before, and it's definitely hard. Congrats and I wish more people would stand up for themselves and others.

It's always better to receive downvotes and do the right thing, than merely sit by and go along with the hive. Especially when you know in your gut the hive is wrong.