Can't trust Dyson with batteries, my worst experience ever. Ended my problems by ordering via AliExpress from China at one-tenth the price bought from Dyson.
The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle
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Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
A good example of intelligent appliances would be like my Samsung washing machine... It had an error, so I called their support line. They asked me to hold down two buttons simultaneously, then put my phone near the door. It let out a 10s or so digital song, the kind that modems did in the 90s - that gave them an entire diagnostic, age, model etc, and they sent someone around as they knew I couldn't fix it. Pretty am…
A web of sensors enabling diagnostics (few accelerometers, temp sensors, even more water-presence ones, maye even strain gauge, cabling, microcontroller with enough analog IO, intelligent motor controller, both BOM and labor) would offset any imaginable savings. At the end of the day the outcome is always "we will send someone". Sounds like a dog and pony show, expensive scam.
I agree it probably wouldn't result in a lower repair bill, but that's only one cost of appliance repair. The other major one, which isn't a big issue at the moment, but usually is... you have to be home when they come to service it.
Not everyone can work from home, so the shorter the visit the better. If the diagnostics are done remotely, they can arrive with the right parts and do the job more quickly since they already have a headstart from the diagnostics. Additionally, they should be able to complete the job in only one visit since they should already have the parts they need and not have to order them.
LG has a similar system too, and it makes sense for everyone. They save money on warranty repairs since their labor should be lower. Consumers save time on repairs for the same reason. They also get to drive repair work to the service company of their choice, which has benefits for them and has some pros and cons for the consumer.
Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle
#113It seems they really got out of their depth with this project. There are a lot of photos and videos of aesthetic things that (arguably) Dyson is good at such as the steering wheel user interface, the shaping of the wheel rims and the colour palettes for the paint job. But there is very little evidence of hard engineering, only one grainy video of the prototype car actually running (the other videos appearing to be th…
Dude! This has got to be the same with software -- with software it's 100x harder to design the process than the software or at least an order of magnitude wouldn't you say?
My first thought was cooking. It's far easier to make a great meal once than repeatably in a restaurant on an assembly line.
Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle
#114It seems they really got out of their depth with this project. There are a lot of photos and videos of aesthetic things that (arguably) Dyson is good at such as the steering wheel user interface, the shaping of the wheel rims and the colour palettes for the paint job. But there is very little evidence of hard engineering, only one grainy video of the prototype car actually running (the other videos appearing to be th…
>A car needs to be able to run safely without faults for 8 hours a day 365 days a year whereas Dyson vacuum cleaners tend to have a lot of reliability problems even when using for an hour each week.
To be fair, we're talking about a British car here. The bar is lower.
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#115Photos on this page seem like James Dyson showing off pretty, custom car, he ordered his people to make for him personally.
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#116> Electric cars are considerably more expensive to make and manufacturers are making big losses on the sale of each car. This is rather disingenuous. The Model 3 was one of the most popular new cars sold in the UK last year, Tesla isn’t losing money on those sales. You can’t do a market analysis that ignores the main competitor. If I had to hazard a guess, the real reason James Dyson pulled the plug is a) EV developm…
I agree that the comment is disingenuous, however, I believe the problem for Dyson was that the car he wanted to make was just too expensive. It's not necessarily the case that all electric vehicles are too expensive (and clearly when you look at the EVs in SE Asia, there are some pretty cheap cars). I'd be surprised if he didn't already anticipate the upfront costs. I think it's more that having made the prototype,…
> he realised he couldn't make a product that will disrupt the market at a reasonable price
Most likely because of batteries. He doesn’t have volume to build his own battery factories, but buying in small quantities makes his cars expensive. Now if car you are trying to sell is more expensive than Model X or Cybertruck, customers naturally would ask “Why?”
Re: The Dyson Battery Electric Vehicle
#117It seems they really got out of their depth with this project. There are a lot of photos and videos of aesthetic things that (arguably) Dyson is good at such as the steering wheel user interface, the shaping of the wheel rims and the colour palettes for the paint job. But there is very little evidence of hard engineering, only one grainy video of the prototype car actually running (the other videos appearing to be th…
They also struggle with the culture of software. From what I've heard from employees, software is looked down on by management and is not really something they 'get'. Things like app connectivity are after thoughts and not core to their products. A good chunk of what makes a Tesla unique is the radically different software and digital user experience. Dyson (the company) are not ready to embrace the fast moving cultu…
> From what I've heard from employees, software is looked down on by management and is not really something they 'get'. Things like app connectivity are after thoughts and not core to their products.
That is a surprise - of all the IoT devices I've owned Dyson's products have been the most rock solid and polished. Their mobile apps (on iOS at least) have been absolutely flawless, never requiring me to sign in again and again or having connectivity issues with WiFi. Their appliances also don't seem to do any funny stuff over DNS unlike some of the flakier stuff I've owned (one of which was making 20k DNS requests a day to a non-existent diagnostic server address on the local subnet).
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
> what would they be bringing to the table? Brand and design.
So what would be the point?
The point would be to get their EV business started at the lowest cost.
MEB is a platform, not a car. There's plenty to do beyond the platform. Ford will be making an MEB car. Here are some of Volkswagen's planned MEB cars so far:
- VW ID.3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPjvgXWA78E
- VW ID.4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dh00utug10
- VW Space Vizzion: https://jalopnik.com/the-volkswagen-space-vizzion-brings-the...
- VW Buzz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfKYr9sgxnw
- SEAT el-Born: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evr55WN5XWo
- Skoda Enyaq: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLTBHGAv5aw
- Audi Q4 e-tron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiwevzHsCbU
MEB is flexible enough to work with many makes and models of car. MEB is exactly the sort of platform a company new to the car business would want to start with.
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#119> Electric cars are considerably more expensive to make and manufacturers are making big losses on the sale of each car. This is rather disingenuous. The Model 3 was one of the most popular new cars sold in the UK last year, Tesla isn’t losing money on those sales. You can’t do a market analysis that ignores the main competitor. If I had to hazard a guess, the real reason James Dyson pulled the plug is a) EV developm…
> Dyson is private, and James Dyson doesn’t want to accept investment or inject his own capital into the effort.
I think this is it. It's not that Dyson couldn't have made an EV. It's more that this would have been an iPhone or Tesla moment for the company where they would have had to bet the farm and that's something only two billionnaires so far have shown any ability to stomach. Pity, (armchair quarter-backing here) I think they could have done it, but it would have taken years off James Dyson himself to get the thing over the line.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Good vacuums? Where? Reliability issues and the plastic chassis broke not long after purchase. I won't pay the premium again, that's for sure.
Totally, have a V-something cordless and the whole thing is just plastic. Even the hinges and stressed parts on the charging dock, I'm just waiting for it to snap.
Same. Motor and general engineering seem to be sound but oh so much weak, creaky plastic.
It’s a shame there seems to be nothing better in a similar form factor. Clearly possible at the price.