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Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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There is a ton of correlational evidence of low vitamin D and C19. And it would be easy to ignore that as having cause and effect weaknesses.

But we also have dozens of RCTs showing that vitamin D supplementation suppresses respiratory infections!

Folks always act like we just take this study in isolation. That’s not how it should work. The totality of the evidence is quite strong for vitamin D versus C19.

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Show notes are here. https://www.foundmyfitness.com/episodes/jre-1474

2 interesting references to vitamin D studies: 00:29:32 - In the Philippines, every standard deviation increase in serum vitamin D was associated with an 8 times more likely chance to have a mild rather than severe COVID-19 outcome and a 20 times more likely chance to have a mild rather than critical outcome. 00:30:37 - In Indonesia, 98.9% of patients with vitamin D deficiency died, 88% of patients with vitamin D ins…

Direct links to the papers:

Alipio, Mark, Vitamin D Supplementation Could Possibly Improve Clinical Outcomes of Patients Infected with Coronavirus-2019 (COVID-19) (April 9, 2020). Available at SSRN: https://ssrn.com/abstract=3571484 or http://dx.doi.org/10.2139/ssrn.3571484

Raharusun, Prabowo and Priambada, Sadiah and Budiarti, Cahni and Agung, Erdie and Budi, Cipta, Patterns of COVID-19 Mortality and Vitamin D: An Indonesian Study (April 26, 2020). Available at SSRN: https://ssrn.com/abstract=3585561 or http://dx.doi.org/10.2139/ssrn.3585561

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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I've seen two theories floated: 1. Vitamin D as a side effect of sun exposure is not itself the important indicator. Instead, some other biological response increases immune response simultaneously. Hence, D supplementation is itself copying the wrong response. 2. Vitamin D deficiency is caused by illness, hence it actually doesn't affect mortality and the relationship is not casual.

My money is on 1. Vitamin D deficiency is caused by lack of sunlight. I'm skeptical of doctors telling me to avoid the sun and take a pill instead.

No doctor is telling you to not go outside. The pills are for people who can't be relied upon to go outside enough (or if they do, simply cannot get enough sun to achieve a similar result). It's important to remember that doctors are human beings just like (presumably) you and me and know they're working with other human beings who sometimes (sadly) won't do the things that are absolutely best for them. They work with the tools they have.

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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This is a misnomer according to a recent guest on the Joe Rogan podcast. Granted that might not be the best source, I reflected on that and the chemistry makes sense. Vitamins primarily will leach out via osmosis. Osmosis works by gradients. This probably means an exponential decay of absorption relative to concentration and as you consume more, your body will waste progressively more and uptake will be less efficien…

Dr Rhonda Patrick was the guest if anyone is interested. Worth watching with paper and pen (or digital equivalent).

She's worth following if you're interested in health and longevity.

https://www.foundmyfitness.com/

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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However, taking 3 vitamins is almost entirely harmless.

Many are toxic (vitamin D included) in unsuitable amounts, that’s probably too strong of a statement.

I took > 100,000IU for nearly 3 months (look up the Coimbra Protocol) with no ill effects. Avoid calcium like your life depends on it (even for months after stopping) and you'll likely be fine (I am not a doctor, this is not advice, just sharing my experience.)

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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While toxic amounts of basically anything are bad, introducing random facts that have no bearing on what is discussed can mislead some readers into thinking you're making a point related to the topic at hand. While it may be unintentional, this is misleading and therefore not helpful.

Look at the context. I was responding to the implication that taking 3 vitamins is categorically safe. It is not.

In any normal sense it is safe.

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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You are right and it is no secret: - 40% of US Americans are B12 deficient https://www.livekindly.co/b12-deficiency-genetic-makeup/#:~:... . - 42% are Vitamin D deficient: https://www.cantonmercy.org/healthchat/42-percent-of-america... . - up to 50% are Magnesium deficient: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180226122548.h... - 10 - 20% of women are iron deficient: https://www.aafp.org/afp/2007/0301/p671.h…

I've always wondered about this deficiency thing. How is it defined, and does it make any sense to claim that such a large part of the population is deficient? Shouldn't that be considered "normal" (excluding the truly pathological cases), as opposed to "above-average"?

Average is not necessarily within the healthy range. See also: weight, diet, etc.

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Vitamin overdoses can be serious in the worst cases. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_D

Water overdoses can be serious in the worst cases, even fatal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperhidrosis

I've heard one of the only things that are safe in any amount is alcohol-free beer. Which leads to some funny images of our medical studies if that was the standard we held.

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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However, taking 3 vitamins is almost entirely harmless.

Many are toxic (vitamin D included) in unsuitable amounts, that’s probably too strong of a statement.

B vitamins are the exception to the rule, most vitamins and minerals are toxic in high doses (like most things).

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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N=43 (17 given vitamins vs 26 not) Highlights: "Significantly fewer DMB patients than controls required initiation of oxygen therapy subsequently throughout their hospitalization (17.6% vs 61.5%, P=0.006)." "DMB combination in older COVID-19 patients was associated with a significant reduction in proportion of patients with clinical deterioration requiring oxygen support and/or intensive care support. This study supp…

Despite my somewhat limited knowledge in biology, my intuition was telling me that the number of patients seems way too small to come to definitive conclusions. Mind you, if Vitamin-D, magnesium and B12 play a role, that's good news for me: I've been very strict about those 3 in the past 2 years(and coincidentally loaded up my magnesium stash yesterday).

I've seen mentions of Vitamin K2 alongside D, something to do with the calcium issues with D. Maybe the magnesium is another way to manage that?
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