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Post by totalZero »

jacquesm wrote: post #51
doublesCs wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The president is the most visible face of the government. Of all the ones you mentioned, it's the only one people actually vote for. What he says and does has the most impact. So I don't find it "interesting", I find it entirely reasonable.

People in the United States do not vote for a president. They vote for an elector who in turn will vote for the president. This is an important and often left out detail in how the American political system works, in theory it could have protected us from the current dumpster fire.

States can apportion their electors however they choose, but generally their votes are cast in a "winner take all" manner.

This setup is (in a way) a consequence of the Great Compromise, and would serve to reduce the electoral influence of more populous states even if elector votes were cast proportionally with respected the state's popular vote.

It's not accurate to say that people in the US vote for electors.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by [deleted] »

101404 wrote: post #53
doublesCs wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The president is the most visible face of the government. Of all the ones you mentioned, it's the only one people actually vote for. What he says and does has the most impact. So I don't find it "interesting", I find it entirely reasonable.

Only if you think that there are only Americans in this world. Hint: there are non-Americans too. Downvotes? HN really thinks there are only Americans on this planet? Of dear.

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Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by Traster »

chroma wrote: post #89
noobermin wrote: post #32

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I'm not trying to valorize Jack, but why is it so hard to believe they just finally feel some level of responsibility? While you should always keep an eye out for more banal motivations, at some point one can only tolerate so much.

I agree that Jack is well-intentioned, but I think he's making a huge mistake by choosing a half measure. Twitter's current policy allows Trump to claim he's being silenced while simultaneously allowing him to get his message out to his Twitter followers. It's the worst of both worlds. Twitter should either let him tweet whatever he wants or ban him.

I think what you're seeing is Twitter building a track record that will allow them to effectively ban him. Take a look at Reddit, they've been following the exact same track for /r/the_donald. They're not interested in trying to make sure Trump stays on twitter, they're just interested in creating the trail of evidence that when they do kick him off they can talk about how incredibly tolerant they were.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by viraptor »

cm2187 wrote: post #50
viraptor wrote: post #17

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He's not moving anywhere and any Twitter controversy gets more people to tweet about that controversy... Until he forces a significant part of his followers to leave, it's not a bad situation for Twitter to be in.

The risk isn't users leaving, it is regulation

So far every legal analysis of the order draft I've seen is "it's not enforcible, mentioned agencies fought not to regulate things like that, looks like it was written just to appease him". Once the regulation is realistic, (likely needing senate involvement) Twitter may be worried.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by bilbo0s »

tracer4201 wrote: post #105

100K people dead and this guys priorities are Twitter and coming up with ways to throw more fuel on a dumpster fire of race relations and police brutality. Bravo.

It's the US.

Scapegoating blacks is how you win elections. I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that it gets lots and lots of people to vote for you.

So yes, to the extent that winning elections is important to politicians, this sort of thing is made a priority.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by totalZero »

tracer4201 wrote: post #105

100K people dead and this guys priorities are Twitter and coming up with ways to throw more fuel on a dumpster fire of race relations and police brutality. Bravo.

It totally fits his history of drawing the public's attention away from the most unflattering things that he has done.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by knowaveragejoe »

nabaraz wrote: post #90
rootlocus wrote: post #28

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Fact checking doesn't imply picking sides. Not fact checking does.

> Fact checking doesn't imply picking sides. Not fact checking does. Fact checking with partisan media sources does imply picking sides.

There has to be a line somewhere, otherwise the implication is that nobody can be held correct by fact checking. Snopes and Politifact do a pretty good job, IMO. I think this just touches on the fact that the GOP and Trumpists in general are more likely to engage in distorting the truth or outright fabricating lies.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by millstone »

viraptor wrote: post #17
adrianN wrote: post #8

I'm a bit surprised that this fight with the POTUS doesn't have a stronger influence on Twitter's stock value.

He's not moving anywhere and any Twitter controversy gets more people to tweet about that controversy... Until he forces a significant part of his followers to leave, it's not a bad situation for Twitter to be in.

IMO this is a misunderstanding of the situation.

People on Twitter are mostly not voting for Trump. Trump voter demographics are roughly white male rural middle-income evangelical non-college-educated over-50, and this does not overlap much with Twitter user demographics (80% millennials).

So Trump has nothing to lose on Twitter, so he can't lose. The goal for his tweets is to make a big story, and Twitter intervening makes it an even bigger one.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by totalZero »

enriquto wrote: post #47
cm2187 wrote: post #36

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...and a particularly thinly skinned user.

... it is just as if they were intentionally trying to stir controversy, so that more and more people join the trollfest

I don't see what's so controversial about applying their rules to one of their users.

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Post by fzeroracer »

paganel wrote: post #99
gentaro wrote: post #45

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Sounds like maybe you should take the hint. It's not "taking sides" to point out that you're glorifying violence if you as the president are threatening to deploy military force against protestors.

I've done my own share of protesting (living in Eastern Europe forces you to do that sometimes) and we never resorted to looting. If we had done so I would have expected the powers that be to take some counter-measures that would have involved more than strong verbal reprimands, yes.

If by 'we' you're referring to the entirety of Eastern Europe, Russia has a well known history of employing agent provocateurs in order to affect protests or other movements. This isn't isolated to just Eastern Europe either, considering Italy has a history of this as well.

Needless to say there's also been some reporting and concerns of provocateurs among the protesters here as well using it as an excuse to inflame riots or start looting.

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