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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jack Dorsey has spoken about this on Joe Rogan's podcast, and he basically says that it was a judgement call where they weighed the public interest in the tweets against the violations of the tweets. EDIT>> I dug up the clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K571_jqnCpM

As part of the public, I would rather my President's tweets not be lies, half truths and flat out nastiness.

Alas, this is what The People democratically voted for; and with our current voting system, the will of us 49% who don’t want to hear it counts for nothing u_u

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post #51

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The issue is that mail in voter fraud doesn't scale and you need scale to turn a national election. So you can argue this is a concern in general, but someone arguing this is a real problem for the integrity of the 2020 presidential election is being disingenuous at best.

Elections are run by the states, not by the Federal government. If Washington, the 13th most populous state can conduct elections purely via mail-in ballots, why not any other state?

>Elections are run by the states, not by the Federal government.

Sorry, I was talking about national scope and not the federal government actually running the election. The larger the electorate, the more votes cast, the more votes needed to change the results, and the more important scaling becomes in your plan to rig the election.

> If Washington, the 13th most populous state can conduct elections purely via mail-in ballots, why not any other state?

I agree.

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In what sense are CBS, CNN, and the Washington Post hard left? >> The issue here is that everything here is considered the hard left of the media by Fox viewers . Maybe the edit here makes the statement clearer because before it was implicit.

I'm still not seeing the edit, but honestly Fox News viewers seeing CBS as substantively representing the left in any capacity is a large part of the problem here. Fortunately not everyone who matters believes only Fox News and nothing else.

The edit was "by Fox News viewers" which was previously implicit. To them these are hard left, but to moderates and the left they aren't. It is a matter of perspective.

> but honestly Fox News viewers seeing CBS as substantively representing the left in any capacity is a large part of the problem here.

This is something I agree with and is actually the crux of my post.

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This is not going to end well. Every single aspect of life that cannot be rigorously tested under the scientific method is destined to become a partisan topic. There is no way to be sure if mail-in ballots will be anything less than substantially fraudulent.

> Every single aspect of life that cannot be rigorously tested under the scientific method is destined to become a partisan topic.

Remind me again how rigorously testing under a scientific method has quelled any misinformation these days??

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I disagree, giving certain folks a platform only raises them up and legitimatizes them. Didn't the Reddit folks discover that shutting down hateful subreddits prevents them from popping back up effectively? I believe this is the citation[1]. [1] http://comp.social.gatech.edu/papers/cscw18-chand-hate.pdf

> I disagree, giving certain folks a platform only raises them up and legitimatizes them Despite huge deplatforming efforts over the last decade fringe views have grown to become mainstream and there is less trust between people than ever.

I would argue that misinformation via the web has only metastasized over the past decade and the deplatforming efforts have been comparatively minimal.

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Left leaning media is going way too far with their grasp of any news narrative. Mail in voting is susceptible to fraud- that’s the truth regardless of your political affiliation. Ballots can be filled out by someone other than the voter, votes can be lost in the mail, and even stuffed by those trusted to oversee the process like in extreme cases in Philadelphia last week: https://www.inquirer.com/news/voter-fraud-phi…

That story is literally about someone hitting a voting machine over and over in person. Bad troll is bad.

Thanks for picking on specifics. The evidence is clear and endless. Mail in voting is susceptible to more fraud. Period.

https://www.dailybreeze.com/government-and-politics/20161103...

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If we're honest a lot of his tweets violate twitters content policy and they do so blatantly. I wonder if they'll ever have the guts to straight up hand him at least a temp ban.

It wouldn't take guts, just a pinch more of that insular Silicon Valley naïveté the rest of American has grown to despise.

Considering Trump is up against https://joebiden.info, banning him would all but guarantee a tumultuous future for Twitter.

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post #104

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Trump is not "wondering". His statement was unambiguous: "There is NO WAY (ZERO!) that Mail-In Ballots will be anything less than substantially fraudulent." This is an unproven statement. Numerous elections experts disagree with it. Why is Twitter not within their rights to warn people of this?

Trump doesn't have a crystal ball. "NO WAY (ZERO CHANCE) THE YANKEES ARE GOING TO WIN THE WORLD SERIES!" Am I making a statement of fact, or stating an opinion here? Should twitter fact check this statement with some ambiguous "experts" who think that the yankees are the best team of them all and WILL win the world series?

I agree completely. Trump does not have a crystal ball. Therefore, he should not present things as established fact if they are merely unproven opinion.

He is in a position of power and influence. His words have far-reaching consequences.

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Before I clicked on the link, I assumed this was yet another egregious lie. But this one really doesn't qualify. It falls squarely in the category of reasonable opinions. Let's look at the claim: "There is NO WAY (ZERO!) that Mail-In Ballots will be anything less than substantially fraudulent". Clearly the veracity of the statement rests on the word "substantially." It's inconceivable that no one ever takes, for example, an elderly relative's mail in ballot and votes it fraudulently. So for this to be a reasonable opinion, it merely has to be reasonably possible for the claim to be true.

So, let's consider if such fraud could possibly be substantial. Let's use California as an example. Registering to vote is easy, all you need is a web browser[1] and a mailing address where you reside or with a resident willing to give you ballots or ignorant that they are receiving them[2]. Also, the State of California faces an impractically large legal hurdle to reject suspected fraudulent ballots[3] so it can be assumed that most if not all will be accepted. It seems clear based on the observable facts that substantial fraud is certainly possible under the California regime. Please note I am not claiming such fraud actually happens, merely that it is easily practicable for an organization as well organized as, say, a political party. To be honest, I bet literally hundreds if not thousands of readers on this site could build "California vote fraud as as service" as a side gig. Let's disrupt the electoral process for a billion dollar valuation!

From this I conclude that while I personally disagree with the President, this particular statement is a (probably, I sure hope) incorrect opinion, not a factually incorrect statement.

[1] https://covr.sos.ca.gov/

[2] https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/politics/more-than-80-bal...

[3] https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-aler...

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I'm finding the response people are having to this mail in voting thing to be...puzzling. It's not a ridiculous thing to wonder about how susceptible mail in voting is to fraud, and it seems like some of us are putting blinders on simply due to our distaste for the current president. If we were to hold a hackathon with a $100,000 prize for the most plausible path to exploit mail in voting in order to swing an electio…

From Twitter's statement: > Trump falsely claimed that California will send mail-in ballots to "anyone living in the state, no matter who they are or how they got there." In fact, only registered voters will receive ballots. This not "wondering about how susceptible mail in voting is to fraud," it's an outright lie.

>In fact, only registered voters will receive ballots.

How could you possibly know this, and how could twitter possibly know this? Surely that is the intent, but what do you make of stories like this one: https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018/11/05/goldstein-investi...

"Only registered voters will receive ballots", you cannot state a future event as a fact, since it hasn't actually happened yet. Stories like the one linked show that in the past, California has had problems with this.

Should twitter now fact check their fact checking? Perhaps the idea of future-telling is flawed to begin with and twitteer should not attempt to be a source of truth!

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