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Re: America is determined to sink Huawei

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post #105

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Nationalistic flamewar is not allowed here and, in this vitrolic a form ("it is an evil, vile country?" good grief) will get you banned from HN. Do we really want HN to be a place where Chinese users and users with China-related backgrounds are hounded out of here on racial grounds? Can anyone believe that I even have to ask this? No more of this, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you've…

What attacks?

Apart from "it is an evil, vile country", etc., above, here are the two past cases when we've chided your current account:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20357430

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22538538

But there are more recent cases like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23135072, which is obviously unacceptable.

Re: America is determined to sink Huawei

#112
post #97

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The problem with China is that it has taken a hostile non-cooperative approach, ie it’s acting in bad faith. This is evidenced by its diplomatic failures with the region and with the world. The CCP is using economic leverage to coerce smaller players in the global system. The US has its hands tied here, there really are no other options geopolitically. I live in Europe as well, and sometimes it feels like European le…

DJT fucked both US and EU when it started to create a wedge with trade tariffs and other issues. Instead of strengthening EU and US ties he weakened it and gives china more space to operate in. China can play any games it wants when the rest of us are locked on making cheap political points by pointing finger at eachothers inadequate response to this pandemic.

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Re: America is determined to sink Huawei

#113
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DJT fucked both US and EU when it started to create a wedge with trade tariffs and other issues. Instead of strengthening EU and US ties he weakened it and gives china more space to operate in. China can play any games it wants when the rest of us are locked on making cheap political points by pointing finger at eachothers inadequate response to this pandemic.

What are you talking about? The EU runs a current account surplus with the US, and it's a protectorate of the US through NATO. Europe is absolutely delusional and ungrateful.

@kaveh_h You can downvote all you want if it serves you as a distraction to avoid counting the money.

Maybe you can do one downvote for each dollar in the EU surplus with the US.

Re: America is determined to sink Huawei

#114
post #46

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> Everything they’ve got they just stole from other entities. Is this true, though?

If it's asserted often and loudly enough, it becomes true - at least in the minds of most people. Huawei spends over 15 billion USD/year on R&D, which puts it in the same league as Apple and Google. Only a few companies in the world spend more on R&D. That's the real reason why Huawei is viewed as a threat. The US has been happy for China to produce cheap knick-knacks. Now that China develops and produces its own cut…

No matter how much budget you have, there's always something you can't do. It's pretty convenient to throw a bunch of resources at a project knowing "the other half" of the IP is gonna show up for free on a thumb drive someone drops by after leaving their job at Cisco (or whatever other company they decide to raid that month) in a hurry.

Your R&D budget becomes effectively your 15B (I don't believe that number btw) plus whatever Cisco, Broadcom etc.. spend. How convenient.

Re: America is determined to sink Huawei

#115
post #111

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What attacks?

Apart from "it is an evil, vile country", etc., above, here are the two past cases when we've chided your current account: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20357430 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22538538 But there are more recent cases like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23135072 , which is obviously unacceptable.

I seriously have no idea what you are talking about. Might be an american interpretation that you see between the lines.

I have literally no idea why any of these would be considered offensive? Blunt and direct sure ...but offensive?

Does not this site promote inclusivity? or does it try to cater only to those that can navigate through american norms?

Re: America is determined to sink Huawei

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's asserted often and loudly enough, it becomes true - at least in the minds of most people. Huawei spends over 15 billion USD/year on R&D, which puts it in the same league as Apple and Google. Only a few companies in the world spend more on R&D. That's the real reason why Huawei is viewed as a threat. The US has been happy for China to produce cheap knick-knacks. Now that China develops and produces its own cut…

No matter how much budget you have, there's always something you can't do. It's pretty convenient to throw a bunch of resources at a project knowing "the other half" of the IP is gonna show up for free on a thumb drive someone drops by after leaving their job at Cisco (or whatever other company they decide to raid that month) in a hurry. Your R&D budget becomes effectively your 15B (I don't believe that number btw) p…

Any evidence for your assertion that Huawei is stealing Cisco and Broadcom's R&D?

Re: America is determined to sink Huawei

#117
post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apart from "it is an evil, vile country", etc., above, here are the two past cases when we've chided your current account: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20357430 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22538538 But there are more recent cases like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23135072 , which is obviously unacceptable.

I seriously have no idea what you are talking about. Might be an american interpretation that you see between the lines. I have literally no idea why any of these would be considered offensive? Blunt and direct sure ...but offensive? Does not this site promote inclusivity? or does it try to cater only to those that can navigate through american norms?

I'm happy to try to help you understand if you're asking in good faith, but those questions are somehow too open-ended for me to efficiently answer. If you can make them more specific I can take a crack at it.

Re: America is determined to sink Huawei

#118
post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I seriously have no idea what you are talking about. Might be an american interpretation that you see between the lines. I have literally no idea why any of these would be considered offensive? Blunt and direct sure ...but offensive? Does not this site promote inclusivity? or does it try to cater only to those that can navigate through american norms?

I'm happy to try to help you understand if you're asking in good faith, but those questions are somehow too open-ended for me to efficiently answer. If you can make them more specific I can take a crack at it.

>Apart from "it is an evil, vile country",

My family had been at the receiving end of such countries. Twice. I dont believe in a policy of appeasement. At all. China is too similar to Nazi Germany for me to ignore it. It is an evil, vile country that has deception and absolute disregard to human rights deeply rooted at its core. The youtuber SerpentZA only scratches the surface of what this country is doing to not only its people.

And this is not an overstatement. To compare it to countries like Korea and Japan would be doing disservice to these countries. They are both objectively racist. Are they evil?

Well not at the moment. Imperial Japan was evil. Current Japan is just hypocritical.

>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20357430

This was too long ago for me to remember it. I have no idea what I meant in the context of that discussion.

>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22538538

I honestly believe americans are overreacting much more than any other nationality I have ever observed. It's a cultural trait.

>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23135072

I have refused to engage in that discussion calling the op out on his behavior.

Re: America is determined to sink Huawei

#119
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DJT fucked both US and EU when it started to create a wedge with trade tariffs and other issues. Instead of strengthening EU and US ties he weakened it and gives china more space to operate in. China can play any games it wants when the rest of us are locked on making cheap political points by pointing finger at eachothers inadequate response to this pandemic.

What are you talking about? The EU runs a current account surplus with the US, and it's a protectorate of the US through NATO. Europe is absolutely delusional and ungrateful.

I didn’t down vote you.

Multinational companies are not bringing profits home. This was perhaps the best decision Trump made was to even the playing field and brought it down to about the same as most EU countries.

Europe is a much larger population but it’s not as rich as US per capita so don’t expect europeans to buy more US goods. I agree that sometimes the tariffs are too high. But the situation is more complex. VAT in Sweden is 25%, a Tesla Model S cost about 100k$ here because of VAT mainly not just tariffs. Many US products are simply too expensive for the same reasons and a Europea generally lower purchase power. Americans like to buy European luxury goods many europeans themselves can’t buy. Trade is not a single transaction. I would love to own Tesla or buy more american, but I can only afford iPhone not Tesla. And iPhones are made in China...

Nato has protected EU, but not against the refugee crisis which affect EU much more than US. US seems to infact increased the problems and is simply trying to leave now. US cares about mexican immigration but don’t do much to help situation in ME.

Re: America is determined to sink Huawei

#120
post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm happy to try to help you understand if you're asking in good faith, but those questions are somehow too open-ended for me to efficiently answer. If you can make them more specific I can take a crack at it.

>Apart from "it is an evil, vile country", My family had been at the receiving end of such countries. Twice. I dont believe in a policy of appeasement. At all. China is too similar to Nazi Germany for me to ignore it. It is an evil, vile country that has deception and absolute disregard to human rights deeply rooted at its core. The youtuber SerpentZA only scratches the surface of what this country is doing to not on…

These judgments about entire countries are much too grandiose and strident to count as thoughtful comments here. No matter how you feel about policy there are always many people in any country who are not part of it. Some of them are on HN. Those readers have a right to come here and not see comments denouncing their country and often (by implication if not explicitly) their ethnicity, and in a way their families too. Moreover, since such comments are pure flamebait, they are a vector toward this site destroying itself with flamewar and we have a duty to prevent that.

I appreciate what you say about the history of your family. I'd be interested to hear more about that, if there were a good context for it. Still, we need room for more gradations of behavior than extreme words like "appeasement" allow for. If the logic here is "China" -> "I don't believe in appeasement" -> "China is evil", that's far too blunt an instrument to smash into HN conversations with. You're not doing any good by fighting battles in that way. You're just adding, in a small way, more violence, and giving people a good reason (emotionally if not rationally) to retaliate.

I think it would be best if you'd review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and try to take the spirit of this site more to heart. You're welcome here. But those guidelines are not an arbitrary hodge-podge of tonal tastes. They're carefully designed, through deep experience over many years, to try to prevent this forum from destroying itself, the way that internet forums traditionally have. That was the founding intention of this site [1], and it's no small matter. Internet discussions have a strong tendency to flamewar, and internet forums turn into scorched earth by default [2]. We're trying to stave that fate off for as long as we can [3]. For that reason, we have no choice but to ban accounts that refuse to help protect the commons here.

I think if you would stretch a bit to understand this, and see why the rules are the way they are, you'd realize that it's in your interest to participate in the community in a different way—one that is less bludgeoning. It's in your interest because that's what keeps the community interesting, which is the only reason any of us comes here. You can still make all your substantive points if you switch from a denunciatory/flamewar style to a thoughtful/curious one. Indeed, they'll be better for it and will probably lead you to new insights that make for better comments yet.

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