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U.S. Senators Advocate H-1B Freeze for 60 Days or Longer

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#111
This sucks.

America should be using this crisis to prioritize hiring the world's best medical, engineering, and technical talent.

It's like our last competitive advantage, a way to capture value from America being a desireable place, and we're pissing it away.

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#112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are over 200k Indians who are stuck on h1b for more than 10 years. Most of which have us born kids. Makes no sense to have a 60 day freeze on h1bs

10 years in the U.S.? I thought the path to citizenship or green card was 5 years, or 7 years at most? This is really not a very fair system.

I have an Indian dev friend who's here on an H1B in exactly the situation that KorematsuFred describes. H1B is just a more sophisticated "Gentlemen's Agreement" (a racist way of using Asian peoples' labor while denying them the benefits of citizenship).

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#114
The H1B system along with the L1 and L2 and mostly labor arbitrage. Given the current employment situation, it should be since there are currently enough local workers given the state of the economy. The initial draft of the immigration pause included these, but some of the presidents advisors were concerned that it would upset Google, Apple etc. so it was removed from the final one.

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#115
While I have sympathy for the foreign workers who are hurt by this, honestly this is hardly a surprise. When you try to optimise for money over everything else (quality of government, public healthcare, education for your kids, safety) weird things happen. Try looking for countries that have a sane government with a clear immigration policy. These countries are out there. Yes, you will make less money. But at least this shit isn't likely to happen to you.

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#116
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some, but not all, H1B immigrants are highly skilled. Some are fodder for body shops, some are used to avoid having to pay market rate. This behavior has been documented in great detail. I do not believe it unreasonable to take measures to encourage hiring of citizens over importing workers when official unemployment is near 15%, and unofficially, closer to 20%. Your typical tech company is likely to be sophisticated…

What is tech unemployment? Still in the single digits?

There's no such thing as a long term labor shortage in a market economy. I've been hearing about these labor shortages since the 90s. Make no mistake, this is industry and government colluding to suppress your wages.

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#117
post #89

This is a backdoor immigration cut, nothing more. COVID is irrelevant. Remember that it's not just new entrants that need H1B processing: it's immigrants currently in the country that need to transfer their visa type (e.g., former students moving from OPT to H1B). What, are they supposed to leave or risk being denied a visa forevermore? Not to mention, they've already paused green card processing and shut down most o…

"The US just doesn't want high-skilled immigrants anymore." This sucks, and it breaks a lot of Americans hearts. My grandparents were the first natural-born Americans of our family and we were raised to understand what that meant. It's of little consequence right now & on any personal level, but America is not a ubiquitous place and the pendulum swings forever.

It was the thing that, for most of my life, was touted as a singularly powerful foundation of American success and freedom: that anyone could come and build a life.

A more sober look at the reality suggests this myth was... less than true. Nonetheless, I always thought of it as an important ideal.

But you're right that the pendulum swings.

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#118

This is a backdoor immigration cut, nothing more. COVID is irrelevant. Remember that it's not just new entrants that need H1B processing: it's immigrants currently in the country that need to transfer their visa type (e.g., former students moving from OPT to H1B). What, are they supposed to leave or risk being denied a visa forevermore? Not to mention, they've already paused green card processing and shut down most o…

> This is a backdoor immigration cut, nothing more. H1B is a non-immigrant visa. > Remember that it's not just new entrants that need H1B processing: it's immigrants currently in the country that need to transfer their visa type. Immigrants already admitted to the US can not get and would not benefit from a non-immigrant visa. Non-immigrants in the US might seek a different non-immigrant visa, but preventing them fro…

H1B is dual intent.

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Sounds like it's still above 0 Because of frictional unemployment, it's neither possible nor desirable for the unemployment rate to reach 0. >which means you should be forced to source local talent before you're permitted to source from outside the country. This is already a requirement; H-1B employers must attest that they can't find an employee domestically and have made a good faith attempt to do so. >It's so str…

> * H-1B employers must attest that they can't find an employee domestically and have made a good faith attempt to do so.* How effectively is this enforced? The arguments against these visa is that companies know how to game this requirement. They specifically write job descriptions in a way that’ll fail to find someone locally, so they can hire cheaper immigrant labor. And cheaper isn’t just lower salaries, they’ll…

> They specifically write job descriptions in a way that’ll fail to find someone locally

I see this all the time with the job descriptions

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#120

I think this is quite good in a strange way. Nobody was happy about H1-B. Tech companies were complaining that quotas were too low. Skilled workers complained that this is a ploy to keep costs down, especially in academia. I've once heard an American PhD say 'I am not afraid of competing with very smart Chinese or Indian scientists. But they are making me compete with 10 mediocre Chinese or Indian PhDs and nobody can…

I am one of those Indian PhDs. Many of my friends are. I suppose it's easy for you and your friend (let's not get into an argument about who's stupider) to sip some coffee and say let's blow it up and wait for a few years when you have no personal effect. Meanwhile I'm back in India, and completely lost in my mind on where and how I should proceed with my career. I'm of the view that a country can choose whatever the…

You are assuming that I am a US citizen, but I am not. I was once an immigrant too, lived in California for 6 years and ironically wasn't able to get an immigrant visa, because while on J1 visa I was sponsored by US State Department. I had to apply for an immigrant visa in Canada and was just one point short. So I returned to my home country. I was bummed too, my life was totally turned upside down. That was 20 years ago. So I feel you. BUT I am happy my life turned out the way it did. I am 40+ years old. I own my own home. I have zero debt. I have family and two kids. My medical expenses are next to zero (whatever they take out in my taxes). American political leaders, including presidents turned out to be more batshit crazy than the mediocre idiots that are running my home country (and less corrupt, too). So NOT getting a green card was the best thing that happened to me. It turns out that American dream is more dream that American for many people, and living in Eastern Europe is quite good. Sorry for sharing my personal story, but so that you know where I am personally coming from.
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