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Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by creato »

Marsymars wrote: post #86
newsbinator wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious about your reasoning for that

As is, the prime of my life is effectively being wasted; none of my regular pursuits are possible and I can't visit any of my family or friends. For healthy people in my age group there's roughly a 0.1% IFR and with about six decades of life remaining, that works out to about a three week expected loss of my lifespan if I'm infected. If I were able to visit my parents I could do most of their regular shopping/errands…

A 0.1% chance of death is not the only consequence of infection. As someone in a similar position to you, I'm far more concerned about permanent lung damage or other long term health impacts than death.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

#112

Post by khuey »

caseysoftware wrote: post #97
faizmokhtar wrote: post #80

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Personally, I think it will have permanent effects on airport operations. Some of the steps like social distancing, wearing masks, temperature checks, sanitizers, etc will remain even after the vaccine is found.

And scary side thing to consider.. how many corona-virus vaccines have been developed and deployed to date? Even after SARS (another corona virus), there were a bunch of candidates and some preliminary successes but none actually made it to market because interest (aka funding) subsided. The same over and over again. As of Jan 1, there were zero. People predicting "we'll have one in a year!" is based on hope and othe…

Zero in humans. There are vaccines for specific coronaviruses (coronavirii?) in dogs and pigs.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

#113

Post by rootusrootus »

walterbell wrote: post #57
ekianjo wrote: post #41

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> Within a year after a vaccine becomes available, We have never successfully developed a vaccine for a coronavirus before. And even if it's proven to be feasible, it will be unlikely to be very practical (are we going to manufacture billions of doses? How long will it take? Won't there be some kind of herd immunity by then?) and there are also indicators that such vaccines would not be effective beyond 6 months or s…

Vaccines are unlikely to work or be scalable, though that won't stop companies from trying. More practically, repurposing widely available low-cost therapeutics, combined with early treatment, have proven effective in many cases. When not detected and treated early, expensive drugs may be necessary for treatment.

> Vaccines are unlikely to work or be scalable

Can you back that up with some kind of science? There are >100 in development and several are done with phase 1. Hell, one is already entering production in anticipation of final approval later this year.

Short term, we'll probably rely heavily on plasma.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

#114

Post by downerending »

brenden2 wrote: post #101
ISL wrote: post #7

The days of carefree travel will return. It'll be a while, but it will be back. In early March, looking for a park to sit quietly with my thoughts in the sunshine but away from others, I found myself in a local cemetery. Alone, but not far from a great many people. Seattle's a pretty young place on the scale of things. I was surprised to find that our local graveyard had a substantial contingent that had lived throug…

This is just fear mongering. Life will return to normal. Lots of people swore they'd never fly after 9/11 and yet things did recover.

Maybe. Two very reassuring things happened right after 9/11, though: (1) cockpit doors were seriously reinforced, and (2) everyone realized that if there was a on-board threat, the only rational response would be "Let's roll". Some might also include TSA changes on that list.

COVID-19 is different. We're having an extended period of time to realize that we simply don't need to fly anywhere. And that airplanes always were flying petri dishes and that that sometimes matters a lot.

I'm older that most here, and it's somewhat difficult to imagine ever getting on a plane again. It's always been sort of marginal, and now it just looks like a loser.

If we actually achieve confirmed herd immunity, perhaps I will feel different.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by walterbell »

rootusrootus wrote: post #113
walterbell wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vaccines are unlikely to work or be scalable, though that won't stop companies from trying. More practically, repurposing widely available low-cost therapeutics, combined with early treatment, have proven effective in many cases. When not detected and treated early, expensive drugs may be necessary for treatment.

> Vaccines are unlikely to work or be scalable Can you back that up with some kind of science? There are >100 in development and several are done with phase 1. Hell, one is already entering production in anticipation of final approval later this year. Short term, we'll probably rely heavily on plasma.

Zero vaccines in the entire history of coronaviruses. For the well-known reason that the viruses mutate, so a vaccine against seasonal variant A does not work against new variant B.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

#116

Post by Marsymars »

creato wrote: post #111
Marsymars wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As is, the prime of my life is effectively being wasted; none of my regular pursuits are possible and I can't visit any of my family or friends. For healthy people in my age group there's roughly a 0.1% IFR and with about six decades of life remaining, that works out to about a three week expected loss of my lifespan if I'm infected. If I were able to visit my parents I could do most of their regular shopping/errands…

A 0.1% chance of death is not the only consequence of infection. As someone in a similar position to you, I'm far more concerned about permanent lung damage or other long term health impacts than death.

Yes, I'm familiar with those risks, and would be willing to accept them.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by rootusrootus »

simion314 wrote: post #34
stormdennis wrote: post #9

It's reactionary to say it but China has to pay a price for this, otherwise what's to stop it happening again? Edit :I've been completely hammered on this topic so I won't make any more comments. Hope that's ok

It will happen again, we knew something like this will happen, isolating China is maybe a solution for some politicians to get some points. Ideally we learn this time and everyone will be prepared with masks, we somehow fix the anti-vacine movement, implement contact tracing etc. Sure in parallel we should see if and who is guilty of what , but this should be a side thing and not the main focus.

> It will happen again

Of course it will. For several reasons, not the least of which is that China turned back on the wildlife wet markets already. Just like they did after SARS. We should encourage them to modernize their food supply so this is not necessary.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

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Post by gvjddbnvdrbv »

ianlevesque wrote: post #95
owenmarshall wrote: post #89

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Lots of people have stopped flying infant in arms because it’s far safer for babies to be properly secured. The FAA is rather clear on that. That means the car seat wouldn’t be checked: it would be strapped down to a seat and the baby strapped in that. In this case, it’s very possible - even likely, because airlines like selling seats - that baby was a revenue passenger entitled to a carry-on bag of its own.

Entirely this. As someone who has flown with multiple children and/or infants (I apologize to everyone who hates screaming children on planes), most of the time now you buy a separate ticket for your baby and have them in a carseat that is strapped into the plane seat. It's a logistical nightmare.

I've never seen a car seat on a plane. We flew multiple times with ours on our laps.

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

#119

Post by maxerickson »

Marsymars wrote: post #86
newsbinator wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious about your reasoning for that

As is, the prime of my life is effectively being wasted; none of my regular pursuits are possible and I can't visit any of my family or friends. For healthy people in my age group there's roughly a 0.1% IFR and with about six decades of life remaining, that works out to about a three week expected loss of my lifespan if I'm infected. If I were able to visit my parents I could do most of their regular shopping/errands…

The stay at home order here makes exceptions for "family or household members", so people here can go do errands for parents without being in violation of it (it's also not particularly being enforced).

The thing is, it's not just a personal decision, increased social contact results in increased spread for everybody, not just a 3 week risk for a given individual.

Of course, lots of people are starting from the premise that 100% infection is inevitable, and then apparently tacking on it not being worth slowing things down while interventions and vaccines are researched, in which case it doesn't make any sense to worry about other people (because they think it's a foregone conclusion).

Re: Flight Attendants and Covid-19

#120

Post by catalogia »

sp332 wrote: post #43
justinator wrote: post #30

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> After noting, to my surprise, that there wasn't an obvious peak in the deaths in 1918 Well, you've seen photos of mass graves circa this year, right?

More detail https://gothamist.com/news/mass-burials-hart-island-increase...

To be clear, regular mass burials on Hart Island is normalcy. The increased rate of mass burials is the notable part.
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