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I posted this because I thought it was interesting. Didn't realize this conversation would devolve. I'll try to post more consciously in the future.
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I wasn't. Plants are clearly important to our well being, more so than animals.
You are being equidistant. You can't compare the suffering of a pig or a cow with the suffering of a lettuce. Considering we have to eat, we should try to minimize the suffering.
Worth pointing out: The future is now. Just this week I bought Beyond Burgers from my grocery store (first time) and made them for my partner and me and they were really good.
It's now the main "meat" we use for tacos. I'm not a big fan of it for burgers, though.
Impossible burgers, on the other hand, are great. It's a shame they only sell to restaurants.
Maybe I'm being a techno optimist but I really am rooting for Beyond Meat and all the plant based alternatives here. I've tried to go vegan a few times for both the ethical and environmental reasons but have never maintained and end up a 'reduceatarian.' I just think realistically the best chance for animal welfare is that plant based meats become cheaper, tastier, and healthier and just replace the majority of them,…
I know it's far off, but I really look forward to that world.
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Do explain how veganism is so "destructive" to the environment and animals.
Whenever I do, it gets flagged, but I'll give it another shot. Go learn about farming. It's the most environmentally destructive human activity. Go learn about how much land we would have to destroy in order to feed a terrible vegan diet to humanity. Trillions of animals ( insects, rodents, etc ) are killed to protect vegetation. Not to mention other animals like rabbits, deer, birds, etc that have to be wiped out. A…
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Whenever I do, it gets flagged, but I'll give it another shot. Go learn about farming. It's the most environmentally destructive human activity. Go learn about how much land we would have to destroy in order to feed a terrible vegan diet to humanity. Trillions of animals ( insects, rodents, etc ) are killed to protect vegetation. Not to mention other animals like rabbits, deer, birds, etc that have to be wiped out. A…
Why can't we "raise the garbage vegans eat where we grow animal feed?"
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Why can't we "raise the garbage vegans eat where we grow animal feed?"
Because the quality of land, climate, water availability isn't conducive to growing avocados, nuts, beans, vegetation, etc. Pretty simple stuff.
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Where do you think the feed comes from?
Did you get the impression that I am speaking for abolishing agriculture? To answer your question, almost anything will do as feed. Byproducts of agriculture, grasslands, processed/filtered organic waste. Animals will thrive on rotten meat too -- famously leading to the mad cow disease.
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Because the quality of land, climate, water availability isn't conducive to growing avocados, nuts, beans, vegetation, etc. Pretty simple stuff.
Vegetation? Really? So you're saying that animal feed isn't vegetation? And could you provide some data in your next response please, rather than just unfounded assertions?
Are you serious? Of course they are vegetation, but hardy vegetation like wheat can grow in a lot of places efficiently with harsh weather. But avocados can't.
https://homeguides.sfgate.com/climate-avocado-tree-need-grow...
Avocados require stable dry heat and relatively little wind. Good luck trying to find that in the midwest where most of the animal feed are grown.
> rather than just unfounded assertions?
That different vegetation grows in different environments isn't an unfounded assertion. It's an obvious fact of nature. Only a vegan wouldn't know that. But lets be honest, no amount of facts or data is going to change the mind of a vegan cultist. You just want data/facts just so you can figure out how to lie better or ignore the facts/data next time. Right?
Oh yeah, almonds and many other vegan foods are absolutely horrible for the environment.
https://www.motherjones.com/food/2014/07/your-almond-habit-s...
I bet you virtue signal about the environment, climate change, etc all the time. The environmental damage and climate change are a result of globalism. Guess which diet is dependent entirely on globalism? That's right the vegan diet. A carnivore and omnivore diet can be sourced locally. A vegan diet cannot be sourced locally. A vegan in alaska or puerto rico or anywhere on earth cannot survive on locally sourced vegan diet. They need to steal vegetation from all over the world to barely survive. Yay for the cult of veganism!
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Vegetation? Really? So you're saying that animal feed isn't vegetation? And could you provide some data in your next response please, rather than just unfounded assertions?
> So you're saying that animal feed isn't vegetation? Are you serious? Of course they are vegetation, but hardy vegetation like wheat can grow in a lot of places efficiently with harsh weather. But avocados can't. https://homeguides.sfgate.com/climate-avocado-tree-need-grow... Avocados require stable dry heat and relatively little wind. Good luck trying to find that in the midwest where most of the animal feed are gr…