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So Zoom is essentially a Chinese company with a formal outer shell in the US and 81% of its revenue coming from North America?
That's an excellent business model.
Not if your business relies on trust.
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That's an excellent business model.
It's basically what a lot of consumer goods companies are now. All the products are made and mostly designed in China, and then the US HQ does all the sales, marketing, and funneling product requirements back to China.
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#113Good. There needs to be a serious crackdown on 'puffery' aka lying ( whether lying about product feature or anything else is irrelevant ). Fingers crossed and it will go beyond $2 credit on future Zoom services for affected users.
I'm betting the payout will be a custom emoji for affected users. Maybe a tinfoil hat. And the court will be ok with that so long as the lawyers get paid in hard currency.
Iirc this is a lawsuit by shareholders so I imagine users will get nothing.
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#114Not surprising. Crazy how zoom in the beginning of the crisis was hailed for helping folks get together, but now with all the highlighted security concerns they are receiving a ton backlash. Hopefully they can recover and learn from this.
I’m more shocked that this massive tech industry has like one decent solution to remote video conferencing. Maybe we really have gone too far down the road of making bullshit apps, and stopped solving real problems. Shame on us.
MS Teams is pretty good, but it's Microsoft so people aren't using it as much. Which is understandable.
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#115Looking back, there isn't actually any evidence that Zoom is not, as they put it, "encrypted from end point to end point". But it is clear that Zoom itself is kind of confused about the whole thing. I don't think that Zoom is all that good with technical stuff...
To have any assurance that a video conferencing system is actually secure e2e you would have to have access to the verified source code of the client programs and verify the identity of each and every participant. That is likely impractical so I think it is safe to say that you should not use any video conference system provided by others to discuss secret things. If you absolutely must do so then you can set up a server under your physical control and then would not have to bother with e2ee at all.
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Why is having engineers in China cause for suspicion? Lots of tech companies have engineers in China. Eg Microsoft.
Because the CCP has no qualms about threatening an employee’s family to insert a backdoor or exfiltrate information, for one. The decoupling has begun. Sentiment in the US toward China has never been as negative as it is now, from both sides of the aisle. I wouldn’t be surprised if we even see sanctions against China after the dust settles on this COVID fiasco.
Let’s get real here. The United States government is most certainly capable of doing everything we accuse China of doing and worse.
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#117Not surprising. Crazy how zoom in the beginning of the crisis was hailed for helping folks get together, but now with all the highlighted security concerns they are receiving a ton backlash. Hopefully they can recover and learn from this.
Apart from that FBI warning of Zoombombing, I don't know a single non-tech person that's actually aware of all these security concerns, including China privacy.
Yeah, I've been seeing this all over. For example my sister in law hosted her wedding over Zoom this past weekend. Approx. 0% of the people who attended couldn't have cared less about encryption or security concerns. They just wanted the easiest way to join in on a video feed with their friends and family. It's even become a verb now: "zooming in" e.g. "Please zoom in to our meeting". That's the mark of something that's going to stick. Once searching on the web became "googling" in the general population it became impossible to unseat Google. I think the same will hold true for Zoom.
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#119Will be interesting if Zoom is compelled to disclose their security architecture. On the same page can they be forced, in court, to make a statement on the interference by the Chinese government?
on the latter issue: a company can not speak for each individual employee.
I don't get why this is downvoted? Maybe I was too concise. Then: even if the company may say what they do, the company cannot check and tell what each employee does. This doesn't have to be a malicious intent of the employee, but it can be.
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Because the CCP has no qualms about threatening an employee’s family to insert a backdoor or exfiltrate information, for one. The decoupling has begun. Sentiment in the US toward China has never been as negative as it is now, from both sides of the aisle. I wouldn’t be surprised if we even see sanctions against China after the dust settles on this COVID fiasco.
Let’s get real here. The United States government is most certainly capable of doing everything we accuse China of doing and worse.
The US is no white knight. But it is not doing anything close to what the CCP does on a regular basis. When was the last time a Trump protestor or Obama protestor disappeared and was never heard from again? Or disappeared and show up again months later, 30 lbs lighter and apologetic about how wrong they were about the government?