Tailscale has reached general availability • Hacker News Board

Re: Tailscale has reached general availability

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Post by 3xblah » Thu, Apr 02, 2020, 11:35 PM UTC

steeve wrote: post #33

ASalazarMX wrote: post #29

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> Also, being able to ping my iOS phone that's on 4G from my computer feels like magic. So, like every other VPN?

TailScale is to other VPNs what Docker was to LXC. Well, except Hamachi.

"Well, except Hamachi."

As well as the one from the author of ntop.

A few characteristics most projects consistently fail to meet are (a) keeping the source code available, small, relatively simple and easy to compile, (b) allowing peers the option to connect directly after discovery without routing traffic through a third party and (c) recognising that not all peers want to form massive infinitely scalable networks, most will prefer small ones.

Most P2P projects choose a design that forces the majority of users compromise in order to accomodate a few unpredictable/hypothetical edge cases. "Perfect" gets in the way of progress. History shows there is no "perfect" when it comes to P2P.

Re: Tailscale has reached general availability

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Post by dave_universetf » Thu, Apr 02, 2020, 11:39 PM UTC

c17r wrote: post #95

dave_universetf wrote: post #82

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Github's on the list to support, yeah. We can speak most "identity provider" protocols these days (OAuth, OIDC, SAML, etc.), but it's this weird little universe: the protocols are meant to let you implement once to support everyone, but in practice every IdP has its own little idiosyncrasies that mean you need a little bit of dedicated code for each new IdP. So, we end up with a backlog of "support IdP X, which is os…

Thank you for your response. Having battle scars from handling authentication in an enterprise SaaS, you'll notice I chose my words carefully and didn't say "just do/use" :) I really want to give you guys money for my personal use but $10/user/month is steep when I know the other users will only use it once it a blue moon (but of course, when they need it they'll REALLY need it). If there was something like a "suppor…

"supporter tier" is an interesting idea! We're still figuring out what kind of pricing makes sense for personal use vs. company use. Hopefully we'll have something soon!

In the meantime, it's fine to be on the solo plan for personal use, it's there and free to be used :)

Re: Tailscale has reached general availability

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Post by nojvek » Thu, Apr 02, 2020, 11:46 PM UTC

From the website

> We’re announcing our public launch today, with a $3M seed round →

Seed rounds are now 3M, wow!

I wonder how they seemlessly authenticate with Okta, Google, Active Directory e.t.c ?

Re: Tailscale has reached general availability

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Post by crawshaw » Fri, Apr 03, 2020, 12:18 AM UTC

nodesocket wrote: post #106

In the dashboard, there is no link to support. There should also be a way to create a support ticket or even better live chat. I am getting intermittent errors in the dashboard as well.

I've filed an issue for me to add a support email link. Will do another dashboard release in a couple days, thanks.

As for alternatives, we tried chat but no-one used it, and it added a ton of heavy awful javascript to our website. You can file issues on https://github.com/tailscale/tailscale, though for the dashboard I'll move them elsewhere. Also we have been looking at various pieces of "forum" software too but haven't settled on anything we really like.

Could you elaborate on the errors you saw? If you want to send support@ an email with your account email address and rough time, I can look in the server error logs and try to hunt it down. Thanks.

(I work on Tailscale.)

Re: Tailscale has reached general availability

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Post by nodesocket » Fri, Apr 03, 2020, 12:31 AM UTC

crawshaw wrote: post #114

nodesocket wrote: post #106

In the dashboard, there is no link to support. There should also be a way to create a support ticket or even better live chat. I am getting intermittent errors in the dashboard as well.

I've filed an issue for me to add a support email link. Will do another dashboard release in a couple days, thanks. As for alternatives, we tried chat but no-one used it, and it added a ton of heavy awful javascript to our website. You can file issues on https://github.com/tailscale/tailscale , though for the dashboard I'll move them elsewhere. Also we have been looking at various pieces of "forum" software too but h…

Thanks so much for the reply. I am sending an e-mail to @support now.

Re: Tailscale has reached general availability

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Post by ta999999171 » Fri, Apr 03, 2020, 1:38 AM UTC

mattbee wrote: post #110

dang wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voting ring detection has been one of HN's priorities for over 12 years: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... I've personally spent hundreds of hours working on this, as well as tracking down voting rings of every imaginable sort. I'd never claim that our software catches everything, but I can tell you that it catches so much t…

Thanks, I didn't know at all. I can see you didn't want to talk about this, esp with the tedious conspiracists. But I'm glad you did, and appreciate your work in keeping HN interesting & fair. It surprised me because 1) I achieved a moderate position on the front page a few years back "asking a few friends" to upvote something about my former company, but mainly 2) there's no warning to new post submitters as to the…

"Guidelines" is the first link in the footer.

Re: Tailscale has reached general availability

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Post by anderspitman » Fri, Apr 03, 2020, 1:40 AM UTC

apenwarr wrote: post #22

mholt wrote: post #9

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I'd actually rather you have my username and password, since I use a password manager and every password is long and unique. I don't want to tie my Google/Apple/ account to my Tailscale account. This way I can also more easily keep track of which accounts I have since my password manager stores them all. So I will wait for email signup (which currently just subscribes me to a mailing list...)!

It's easy to make a basic password login system, and very technical people use password managers, long passwords, etc. But there's a long "tail" (ha ha) of people who don't use long passwords, who will reuse their password on multiple web sites, who will forget their password and need to recover it using their mother's maiden name, etc. This opens up unlimited opportunity for phishing attacks. And you don't get any k…

Why not ditch passwords altogether and only do magic-link logins via email a la slack?

Re: Tailscale has reached general availability

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Post by sbr464 » Fri, Apr 03, 2020, 2:03 AM UTC

Is there a pfsense integration?

Re: Tailscale has reached general availability

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Post by sbr464 » Fri, Apr 03, 2020, 2:15 AM UTC

Nice service, was just testing it out. I had one question/issue. Will the pings heal automatically if a device changes internet connections or wifi providers? I noticed I had to disable and re-enable the active toggle on an ipad after changing wifi networks (local wifi to phone/LTE). I didn't have to if simply disconnecting/reconnecting to the same wifi network.

Re: Tailscale has reached general availability

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Post by dang » Fri, Apr 03, 2020, 2:21 AM UTC

mattbee wrote: post #110

dang wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voting ring detection has been one of HN's priorities for over 12 years: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... I've personally spent hundreds of hours working on this, as well as tracking down voting rings of every imaginable sort. I'd never claim that our software catches everything, but I can tell you that it catches so much t…

Thanks, I didn't know at all. I can see you didn't want to talk about this, esp with the tedious conspiracists. But I'm glad you did, and appreciate your work in keeping HN interesting & fair. It surprised me because 1) I achieved a moderate position on the front page a few years back "asking a few friends" to upvote something about my former company, but mainly 2) there's no warning to new post submitters as to the…

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html are linked in the footer of every page, and both contain information about this.

Out of curiosity, would you be willing to share a link to the post you mentioned that got on the front page? I'd like to see whether our software missed it, and why. You can provide it here or send it to hn@ycombinator.com if you'd prefer a private conversation.

Sometimes the software catches voting rings and we turn the penalty off because the article seems likely to interest the community. It's not perfect, though, and knowing about cases that it missed can be very helpful, since independent verification is usually not available!