damn... staff of 7-8 and 168 beds. that's a biblical scene.
God be with you till we meet again (1918)
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hundreds of hours in eu4 and wikipedia will do the trick too haha
Thousands* of hours in EU4 where you listen to an immersive playlist æsthetic to the nation/region you're playing and spend 80% of the time paused and reading Wikipedia about said nation/region. Relevant combos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Debasement https://youtu.be/NpCCYadZCNQ , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_crosses_(Brugherio)#Bac... https://youtu.be/BNnrRGNR0Ok
I'm more of a heavy metal EU4 player actually haha! I'm not a big fan of the cultural music while I'm playing but for some reason heavy metal just amps me up when I'm playing that game. It's (obviously) Sabaton, Black Label Society, Iron Maiden, and Rammstein most of the time. Otherwise I'll have hip hop or deutschrap on. If I'm in the HRE, it's most definitely deustchrap lol.
Re: God be with you till we meet again (1918)
#113Of similar historical interest is "A journal of the plague year" about the great plague in London.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Journal_of_the_Plague_Year
The book is free to read on project Gutenberg.
Re: God be with you till we meet again (1918)
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your meaning is presumably the opposite of what you say: that since the 1918 influenza was and is commonly called "the Spanish flu", it's unreasonable to complain at certain politicians calling the current pandemic something like "the Chinese virus". I agree with the analogy, but I think it goes the other way. The "Spanish flu" was, so far as anyone can tell, not originally from Spain, nor was it especially bad there…
Yet we call Ebola that name, because of a place. Lyme disease, same thing. Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever - obviously.\ This isn't some condemnation of the place, and its pretty silly to think of it that way. Doctors go to pains to have diseases named after themselves, proudly. Folks are over-thinking this.
> Yet we call Ebola that name, because of a place. Lyme disease, same thing. Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever - obviously.
Certainly there is a difference between calling it ebola and "the african disease". Or lyme disease being called the "american disease"? Calling it the "chinese virus", especially given the current climate fraught with geopolitical implications. Especially when there are subtle accusations by both sides blaming the other for intentionally passing the virus to them.
> This isn't some condemnation of the place, and its pretty silly to think of it that way.
Given the histories involved here, I don't think so. And toss in the trade war, it's really naive to not see the obvious here.
> Doctors go to pains to have diseases named after themselves, proudly.
Sure for recognition and to be credited for discovering the disease. Are you saying "the chinese" should be credited and honored for the virus? Should "the chinese" win the nobel prize for this discovery?
> Folks are over-thinking this.
Nothing to over-think. It's pretty obvious what the intentions are, not to mention the political motivations.
History is fraught with naming diseases, insects, etc after countries to attack those countries. Syphilis was called the french, italian, spanish, etc disease depending on politics of the nations involved. Cockroaches were called "german cockroaches" by the french, while germans called it the "french cockroach", etc depending on which nation was mad at which nation at the time. HIV was initially called a gay-related disease. But heterosexuals can get HIV. And non-chinese can get the "chinese virus" so maybe it wouldn't hurt to call it something else? What do you think?
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#115So, going beyond the depressing, I think one good thing that will come out of all this since this situation isn't experienced in any of our lifetimes (including our elders) we have to reach back to history to find comparisons. Maybe this will spark a curiosity in history! There's a number of really great history channels on YouTube; I particularly like "The Armchair Historian".
This "unprecedented in our memory" thing gets me.
Polio was feared in the 1950s, and pools and movie theaters closed and physical distancing was recommended.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2012/10/16/1626708...
(The covid-19 numbers FAR outstrip the polio numbers.)
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's not give racists any opportunities here. Calling it China virus or similar does exactly that, while confusing people with yet another name for this virus. The Chinese government needs to be called out, but specifically and unambiguously the government.
The government can only do so much to change culture, though, right? It needs to be made unambiguously clear that you do not eat or recreationally touch bat or pangolin. Government needs to outlaw it yes, and culture also need to shun it. As another example the Chinese slaughter of endangered species and sharks is a failure of both government and culture. I'm not sure there is a totally PC way to express that. All of…
The government can only do so much to change culture, though, right?
The Chinese government is famous for having done it.
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#117I find the language very beautiful. How come we don’t write like this anymore? Where does one learn to speak like that? We don’t see beautiful language on emails.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
That said, we do still name individual species of ebola by where breakouts were discovered. Ebola Zaire & ebola Sudan were the first species identified after their respective outbreaks. There's even ebola Reston, because of a breakout in Reston, VA. Reston infects humans (we develop antibodies), but does not cause Ebola virus disease in us.
All of these predate the policy change. https://www.wired.com/story/coronavirus-has-a-name-the-deadl... > In 2015, after a few decades of what came to seem in hindsight like culturally insensitive missteps, the World Health Organization issued a policy statement on how to name emerging infectious diseases. Part of the point was to help scientists generate names before the public does it for them. So there are rules.…
No more people? That's a huge mistake. There's a long history of naming diseases after the first to characterize it. Eponymous disease names are the majority?
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Amusingly, if you look at the talk section [1] of the Wikipedia article on the Spanish flu, some folks really (suddenly, recently, completely by coincidence) want to call it the 1918 flu. There's no con job like a retcon job. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spanish_flu
"Spanish" Flu is not derogatory when used in the context of explaining the Spanish press were progressive and free to report on their surroundings without gov oppression. Unlike the rest of world, who were covering up their military losses due to illness.
Yeah. The only illness called by a place where it didn't start or was discovered. Totally fair.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Could it be that very dangerous viruses emerge more often, but only when they fall on "(very) fertile ground", that they then spread? The WW1-circumstances (a lot of men together on small space and harsh conditions) have contributed a lot, that the "spanish flu" spread, while others did not spread and so never became known to us ?
Here's a study that exactly goes into your question: https://www.faculty.umb.edu/peter_taylor/epi/oxford05.pdf The conclusion of that article is that the basic lessons we learn today, were - in part - learned in 1918... Back then, researchers had already traced the emergence of outbreaks to an encampment in France where men and animals were living in close quarters and unsanitary conditions. As to the first part of y…
May be a complete digression but it's much easier for me to believe the virus escaped from Wuhan Virology Institute than made the jump from a fish market.