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Re: NCAA cancels March Madness and other championships

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And a psychological impact. It would have been a very welcome distraction for me. I realize there are many people who won't notice it is missing but quite a few people would have had a nice way to distract themselves while socially isolating themselves at home. It is a shame we waited so long to take action to prevent the spread of covid19 in the USA that this became necessary given the risks we face.

time to take the waifu-pill.

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That presents a big problem because athletes are also living a fantasy where they all imagine going pro. Less than 1% of college football players go pro! Same order of magnitude for college basketball players.

You might be conflating college athletes with high school and middle school athletes. By the time you reaches college, you typically: 1. have enough data to see how quickly you're improving; 2. are exposed to a much wider pool of talent than you were previously. Chances are there are many people at your level of athletics that are far better than you; and 3. are exposed to a much more difficult environment than high…

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/estimated-proba...

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How bad does it have to be to fit in the "serious" vs. "not serious" bucket? It's like a rather bad influenza. The mortality rate is fairly low and difficult to estimate unless you test the entire population on a regular basis. It isn't like one of the outbreaks that kills 10%, 20%, 50% of the infected. It shouldn't be ignored, but it also shouldn't be treated like a new black death. It is difficult for uninformed pe…

The fatality rate, and the rate at which people need intensive care, is 20-40 times that of the flu. If the fatality rate is 3%, and it affects half the US, that's 5 million dead from the disease alone. If it affects half the world, that's 100 million dead. Some estimates peg it as high as 4.8%. In addition to all of the people it's going to kill, it will also decimate the world's intensive care resources. Many peopl…

These people just see the odds and think "oh it probably won't get me" without any regard to anyone else.

It's the hallmark of being a conservative.

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Citation Needed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/07/us/politics/trump-coronav... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_XwC9IQKBc

Never seen someone get downvoted for posting proof before

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That's not likely. Italy has more hospital capacity per capita than we do [1], has lower cost hospital care, and has been more proactive about testing (almost 8x tests performed) [2]. More beds means less strain when things get bad. Lower costs means people don't wait to get care when needed. More testing means we know where to dedicate resources. The US is flying blind with a fragmented, expensive medical system tha…

Not to delve too deeply into this, but I believe you're factually incorrect about the hospital capacity of Italy versus the United States. What matters in the number of critical care beds because they have the equipment available such as a ventilator. A study from 2012 has Italy at 12.5 beds per 100k people, which puts them at the high end of middle for Europe. For example, Germany has 29.2 per 100k according to that…

Not sure why you are being downvoted. What interests me most is does the US have the infrastructure in place to ramp up production as needed? While Italy might have to "place an order" for more ventilators, there is at least one if not more companies in the United States that can manufacture them. Staffing nurses and doctors might be the bottleneck in the US, not the specialty equipment. ICU travel nursing in NYC is already up to 20k+/mo in pay and that number is steadily going up.

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Not to delve too deeply into this, but I believe you're factually incorrect about the hospital capacity of Italy versus the United States. What matters in the number of critical care beds because they have the equipment available such as a ventilator. A study from 2012 has Italy at 12.5 beds per 100k people, which puts them at the high end of middle for Europe. For example, Germany has 29.2 per 100k according to that…

Not sure why you are being downvoted. What interests me most is does the US have the infrastructure in place to ramp up production as needed? While Italy might have to "place an order" for more ventilators, there is at least one if not more companies in the United States that can manufacture them. Staffing nurses and doctors might be the bottleneck in the US, not the specialty equipment. ICU travel nursing in NYC is…

My understanding that a number of things contribute to this difficulty:

- What are the number of critical care beds in the hospital?

- What are the number of negative pressure rooms in the critical care unit? Negative pressure rooms help keep a contagion contained.

- Critical care rooms typically have a ventilator, but they require a critical care physician to determine the correct parameters for the vent and a respiratory therapist (RT) to set and monitor the vent

- Does the critical care physician have the appropriate personal protective clothing (PPC)? I believe the norm is some kind of suit along with an N95 mask. I'm not sure if this disease has something extra required.

Mostly, I mention this because the equation of what is necessary is complex and breakdowns in this can cause problems. For example, if there's not enough PPC, then the RT and physician can become ill, which means they can't treat patients. At least in the U.S., critical care is a fellowship on top of a residency, so you can't exactly replace them quickly. If there are not enough negative pressure rooms, then the disease can spread more easily in the hospital.

Now, that said, I don't know enough about Italy and their system to fully explain what happened there. I do know that it's not as simple as number of hospital beds, which is why I replied in the first place. This makes a direct comparison to the U.S. at best difficult.

Anyway, there's a lot of dramatically incorrect information being thrown around. There's a lot of people claiming to be physicians and saying some really hyperbolic things. I'm not happy about that, so my small contribution is to at least provide a better reference for something concrete, which is number of ICU beds in the U.S. and elsewhere within the last decade.

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Not sure why you are being downvoted. What interests me most is does the US have the infrastructure in place to ramp up production as needed? While Italy might have to "place an order" for more ventilators, there is at least one if not more companies in the United States that can manufacture them. Staffing nurses and doctors might be the bottleneck in the US, not the specialty equipment. ICU travel nursing in NYC is…

My understanding that a number of things contribute to this difficulty: - What are the number of critical care beds in the hospital? - What are the number of negative pressure rooms in the critical care unit? Negative pressure rooms help keep a contagion contained. - Critical care rooms typically have a ventilator, but they require a critical care physician to determine the correct parameters for the vent and a respi…

For posterity's sake, one correction: Not all critical care rooms have a vent. There's a certain number in the unit that are then pulled in.
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