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SETI@home shuts down after 21 years

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Re: SETI@home shuts down after 21 years

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I'm not an expert in either this or cryptocurrency, but it always seemed like these two would be a good marriage of technologies rather than having crypto mining rigs waste resources on unproductive proof of work algorithms. Does anyone know why that wasn't feasible or didn't catch on?

It's already been done in 2 projects. One called Curecoin and another called FoldingCoin, kinda niche i guess. didnt really catch on

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Re: SETI@home shuts down after 21 years

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I always told people to do mersenne prime search instead of s@h. https://www.mersenne.org/

Prime95 was where it was at.

Prime95 helped me weed out a flaky power supply. The system would randomly freeze. The cursor would just stop moving, along with everything else. Otherwise the machine was working perfectly.

I figured it that Prime95 triggered the freeze within 30 seconds of staring the torture test. Then it was just a matter of swapping out the ram and then the power supply. The new power supply let the computer go on running the test.

Re: SETI@home shuts down after 21 years

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Not to sound like a broken record (I and others have said this or similar on these kinds of threads) but... I, personally, have become convinced that looking for signals this way is actually pointless. The argument is basically this: 1. Within 1000 years (and maybe a lot less) we will have the engineering capability to build space habitats, powered by solar power. This last part is important because this thought expe…

> Even a partial Dyson Swarm should be detectable

How big would the signal be compared to normal variance between stars?

Re: SETI@home shuts down after 21 years

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Anectdata: I set up an old computer with this in 2009, but a few months later I heard about this thing called cryptocurrency mining... EDIT: The article notes that they are reaching a point of diminishing returns with the distributed nature of the SETI@HOME tasks, but I can't help wondering if things like crypto had an impact on participation with this and other @HOME-style academic projects[0]. [0]: https://boinc.be…

I'm not an expert in either this or cryptocurrency, but it always seemed like these two would be a good marriage of technologies rather than having crypto mining rigs waste resources on unproductive proof of work algorithms. Does anyone know why that wasn't feasible or didn't catch on?

There were plenty, basically none of these savants understood economics so they didn't build a demand model, they only built a supply model. So people got paid in coin and just flooded the market until it was worth nothing.

Crypto mining rigs are proving far more productive than Seti or Folding@Home ever did. Economic pressures push the real energy heavy miners into places with renewable energy and also repurposing waste byproducts into electricity, so this is actually one of the most useful and cleanest sector on the planet, ironically the opposite of what people are saying. Protip: Headlines only tell you "how much" energy is being used and not the source, and this is very intentional.

Re: SETI@home shuts down after 21 years

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Weren't they also supported by the Abit BP6 motherboard, letting you use two of them as poorer man's Xeons?

Indeed they were. I had that exact setup. Overclocked the hell out of them. Unlike the 550 MHz someone else suggested, I'm 97.6% sure I only had them clocked at 450 MHz.

I built a bunch of them and still have mine in the attic. But alas your probably like me and by the time I actually purchased one for myself the overclocking abilities were much less than the original ones which went from 300->500Mhz fairly easily. IIRC its because Intel was selling 400 and 450Mhz ones and binning all the good ones into the upper tier bins.

Re: SETI@home shuts down after 21 years

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protein folding simulations don't produce a lot of money for pharma (I say that as somebody with a F@H publication to my name specifically doing research on GPCRs, which are a huge pharma target). users can see what the workunits are doing, and choose subprojects, presumably avoiding bioweapons if that's important to them.

How could the average technically savvy user, let's say willing to use Google a bit but not to obtain a biochemistry degree, tell which subprojects are possible bioweapons? Not a rhetorical question.

Typically, there is a stated/intended plan for each project. This page lists active projects: https://apps.foldingathome.org/psummary Unfortunately, the project pages return a 502 but Google cache helps: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:q6DvOt...

I'm going to guess that if you inspect each project it has a purported (positive) medical use and you'd have to make a judgement call on each project based on good knowledge of biology as to whether it had a bioweapons application.

I doubt, but cannot say for certain that F@H won't have any projects that are stated as bioweapons and I'm skeptical that somebody working on a bioweapon would try to cloak its intent, and come up with a plausible medical application so they could get free F@H cycles.

I remember the days of logging into national labs supercomputers and seeing the other jobs on the system, such as job_name "submarine_geometry_optimizer" and the user_name was "electric_boat" or something similar.

Re: SETI@home shuts down after 21 years

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Not to sound like a broken record (I and others have said this or similar on these kinds of threads) but... I, personally, have become convinced that looking for signals this way is actually pointless. The argument is basically this: 1. Within 1000 years (and maybe a lot less) we will have the engineering capability to build space habitats, powered by solar power. This last part is important because this thought expe…

I always thought the more realistic answer was that the window to detect an emerging civilization is on the order of a couple decades. In that time they go from simple easily detectable modulation schemes that are broadcast at very high power to modulation schemes that are nearly impossible to differentiate from noise at much higher efficiency/lower power levels. Much like we have, in the 1950's it was all high power TV/Radio signals which were radiating into space on fairly narrow bands. Now days we have really wide band signals using really advanced modulation techniques frequently sitting at or below the noise floor (GPS!) and frequently very short range (5G!).

Then using your Drake equation variables calculate how many are within those couple decades at any given point that you can see.

Re: SETI@home shuts down after 21 years

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This comment made me nod my head in agreement, laugh and also experience a wave of nostalgia. All at once.

luuuucky. i only got the k6 :O

I had a K6-233 which was always on the verge of overheating (or maybe I was obsessing a bit too much about monitoring it). I envied my friend's K6-200, which was more stable it seemed.

Re: SETI@home shuts down after 21 years

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post #80

Not to sound like a broken record (I and others have said this or similar on these kinds of threads) but... I, personally, have become convinced that looking for signals this way is actually pointless. The argument is basically this: 1. Within 1000 years (and maybe a lot less) we will have the engineering capability to build space habitats, powered by solar power. This last part is important because this thought expe…

I always thought the more realistic answer was that the window to detect an emerging civilization is on the order of a couple decades. In that time they go from simple easily detectable modulation schemes that are broadcast at very high power to modulation schemes that are nearly impossible to differentiate from noise at much higher efficiency/lower power levels. Much like we have, in the 1950's it was all high power…

Radar. That's the RF that's easiest to detect from long distances, it's focused, and it's strong.

The hard part is deciding if it's natural or artificial.

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