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Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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Post by ratsmack »

nostromo wrote: post #103
vikingcaffiene wrote: post #2

IMO there's two ways to read this: either A) this is a baldly transparent attempt to "own the libs" and punish a company that the administration sees as a threat or B) they are too incompetent to understand the technical nuances of the case and are essentially morons. Maybe both? This administration can't be thrown out on their collective asses fast enough...

Google and Amazon both fucked up by weighing in on political campaigns. And now they're shocked, shocked , that getting political with your monopolistic companies carries some political risk. The solution is easy enough -- don't talk about politics at work -- and in particular not if you're the CEO.

This is the best point I've seen in this thread so far. Companies should just stick to their business interests and leave politics and social engineering to others.

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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Post by magduf »

CalChris wrote: post #65
entee wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ellison hosted a big fundraiser for Trump literally yesterday and Obama regularly golfed with Ellison. I’m not usually a conspiracy theorist but it’s clear the guy is connected and it stands to reason it might influence the government position. https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/politics/2020/02/12/tru... https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/politics/2020/02/18/bar... Edit: some suggest Ellison doesn’t play golf, t…

Larry Ellison doesn't play golf. He does own golf courses though. He is a fine athlete but golf is not one of his sports.

>He is a fine athlete but golf is not one of his sports.

Isn't this orthogonal? Golf has absolutely nothing to do with athleticism.

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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Post by _4byd »

jorblumesea wrote: post #99
chrisco255 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Partisanship cuts both ways and if you're too ignorant to see your own bias and through the narrative spin on your own side of the aisle, then you're like a fish that doesn't know its wet.

If you honestly believe that Trump is in any way on the same "corruption level" as any previous sitting President you're delusional. I'm sorry that reality is getting in the way of the narrative, but it's fairly obvious that he's far worse than any side has elected within living memory. Maybe Nixon is a distant second?

Thank goodness Obama was scandal free, and good thing we keep catching Trump trying to expose all those crimes committed by Obama administrators (Clinton emails & Russia, Biden & Ukraine, Obama & Iran, Loretta Lynch and Clinton Tarmac meeting, Comey & FISA, etc...).

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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Post by okaram »

skrowl wrote: post #107
jorblumesea wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you honestly believe that Trump is in any way on the same "corruption level" as any previous sitting President you're delusional. I'm sorry that reality is getting in the way of the narrative, but it's fairly obvious that he's far worse than any side has elected within living memory. Maybe Nixon is a distant second?

Partisanship bias confirmed! Obama had plenty of evidence of corruption, and that's just ONE past president. - Benghazi - Ordering IRS to target conservative groups - AP Phone Records Scandal - Obamacare / You can keep your doctor - NSA PRISM Surveillance System - ATF Fast and Furious - Rosengate - Holder committing perjury multiple times - VP Biden forcing Ukraine to fire that prosecutor... If you haven't heard of s…

Except that ... Benghazi was an error, no corruption ; the IRS did not target conservative groups, Obamacare did not mandate you change doctors in any way ..

Normally I assume it is stupidity rather than malice, but now ...

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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Post by sixothree »

ratsmack wrote: post #106
mips_avatar wrote: post #30

I feel like in a normal presidential administration the support of the president is great for companies. With this administration it's a liability.

Please define what a "normal presidential administration" looks like.

One whose stated goal is not the destruction of democratic institutions?

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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Post by kickopotomus »

ViViDboarder wrote: post #86
tus88 wrote: post #72

> The administration found Google's policy arguments are "unpersuasive" and argued software code is copyrightable. What? Wasn't it about APIs not code?

That was part of it. This article is light on details, but there was one part of the codebase that was copied verbatim. It was the RangeCheck function. Google argued that the function in question was not copywritable, and judge Alsup agreed (after learning how to write code). [1] It’s unclear to me if the administration only sides with Oracle on this count, or also on reimplementation of APIs, which would have sweepi…

Honestly, I feel that it would almost be worse if the Court ruled in Oracle's favor on the ability to copyright intuitively obvious functions. There are only so may ways to write `return x >= a && x <= b;` that aren't unnecessarily obtuse and contrived. It's honestly tantamount to being able to copyright math itself.

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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Post by sixothree »

zentiggr wrote: post #76
jrs235 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So to reverse the Trump administration's support, everyone should just start tweeting how Trump agrees with Obama and supports the Obama administration's position on this issue...

Given how much space Twitter seems to occupy in Trump's head, maybe this is the only possible channel of control... maybe lock his feed up in some sort of info bubble just like politicians want to do to us.

I would love to see his twitter browsing history. I'm genuinely curious how he came to find some of the stuff he posts.

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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Post by chrisco255 »

jorblumesea wrote: post #99
chrisco255 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Partisanship cuts both ways and if you're too ignorant to see your own bias and through the narrative spin on your own side of the aisle, then you're like a fish that doesn't know its wet.

If you honestly believe that Trump is in any way on the same "corruption level" as any previous sitting President you're delusional. I'm sorry that reality is getting in the way of the narrative, but it's fairly obvious that he's far worse than any side has elected within living memory. Maybe Nixon is a distant second?

You understand that the Obama administration oversaw an illicit investigation of a political rival on the basis of the Steele dossier, which was bought and paid for by the DNC. The FBI and CIA knew the Russia narrative was false and pushed it anyways. Look if you need a Progressive source for this info because you can't appreciate alternative points of view, then Jimmy Dore did a very good job of breaking it down:

https://youtu.be/HjPgO57AzjQ

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

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Post by magduf »

ratsmack wrote: post #111
nostromo wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google and Amazon both fucked up by weighing in on political campaigns. And now they're shocked, shocked , that getting political with your monopolistic companies carries some political risk. The solution is easy enough -- don't talk about politics at work -- and in particular not if you're the CEO.

This is the best point I've seen in this thread so far. Companies should just stick to their business interests and leave politics and social engineering to others.

Um, isn't this exactly what Microsoft did up until they got slapped with that antitrust trial in the late 90s? They found out the hard way that not playing the game can be very costly for the company.

It'd be nice if it wasn't like this, but it just isn't; this country is too corrupt for huge players to just ignore politics, when their competitors don't.

Re: Trump administration backs Oracle in Google fight

#120

Post by FireBeyond »

skrowl wrote: post #107
jorblumesea wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you honestly believe that Trump is in any way on the same "corruption level" as any previous sitting President you're delusional. I'm sorry that reality is getting in the way of the narrative, but it's fairly obvious that he's far worse than any side has elected within living memory. Maybe Nixon is a distant second?

Partisanship bias confirmed! Obama had plenty of evidence of corruption, and that's just ONE past president. - Benghazi - Ordering IRS to target conservative groups - AP Phone Records Scandal - Obamacare / You can keep your doctor - NSA PRISM Surveillance System - ATF Fast and Furious - Rosengate - Holder committing perjury multiple times - VP Biden forcing Ukraine to fire that prosecutor... If you haven't heard of s…

- Ordering IRS to target conservative groups

> Initial reports described the selections as nearly exclusively of conservative groups with terms such as "Tea Party" in their names. According to Republican lawmakers, liberal-leaning groups and the Occupy movement had also triggered additional scrutiny, but at a lower rate than conservative groups. The Republican majority on the House Oversight Committee issued a report, which concluded that although some liberal groups were selected for additional review, the scrutiny that these groups received did not amount to targeting when compared to the greater scrutiny received by conservative groups. The report was criticized by the committee's Democratic minority, which said that the report ignored evidence that the IRS used keywords to identify both liberal and conservative groups.

- Obamacare / You can keep your doctor

I'm not sure "compromise to allow _any_ version of a bill to pass rather than being blocked by Mitch McConnell" (who, lets not forget, famously said that he would block any of Obama's legislation, regardless of its merit or good for the country, just to block it) is "corruption".

- NSA PRISM Surveillance System

PRISM began in 2007 in the wake of the passage of the Protect America Act under the Bush Administration.

- Holder committing perjury multiple times

Did Obama have the power of puppetry over Holder's actions, alleged or actual?

How do you compare this to Trump explicitly blocking his administration from testifying, multiple times?

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