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Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by 010101010101 »

tchaffee wrote: post #8
rvz wrote: post #4

What is this spreadsheet supposed to prove? It sounds like its either a ego-measuring contest of which company has the best salaries + compensation with position in a certain country (Hint: It's still FAAMNG in Silicon Valley) or it is a giant weird flexing spreadsheet to show that devs in developed countries are paid more that those in third-world countries (Even those who work remotely). The compensation in somewhe…

It's useful to see what your peers are earning, especially for your next salary negotiation. And it's pretty obvious that if you don't live in SF, you shouldn't expect SF salaries.

I moved from SF to Charlotte with the same company, taking a 20% pay cut in the process, and would gladly do so again. The price of housing in the Bay Area kills the actual value of the take home pay.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by mk89 »

adventured wrote: post #60
grumple wrote: post #17

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It includes people from all over the world. US skilled salaries are usually 2x+ (not just for tech, but also things like healthcare) salaries in Europe. Remember they have social safety nets and lower costs for things like education and healthcare, we do not. Also this list has a very small sample size, and very few people from big tech, otherwise the pay would skew significantly higher.

The lower cost for healthcare gap is about $5,000 to $6,000 per person in other developed nations vs the US. It doesn't come close to offsetting the far higher US skilled salaries figures compared to Europe. When US university costs were far lower circa year 2000, that also didn't imply a narrower gap with Europe on skilled salaries. University costs are a phenomenon caused by the US Government destructively backing…

Unfortunately in Europe we tend to be brainwashed about the health insurance, as if this was taking half your salary.

Thanks a lot for clarifying this, I hope that people start to understand that the salaries for highly skilled people in Europe are just ridiculous.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by adamsea »

theredlion wrote: post #43
j7ake wrote: post #38

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Are black and female software engineers in USA right now the demographic that really needs helping? Im not American, so I probably need clarification, but what is their current situation compared to white males in the same position at a company?

That's an interesting question. I'm personally aware of several large companies in my area which, due to diversity pressure, blatantly discriminate in favor of minorities and women. The performance required from a white man in an interview for the same job is higher. That is to say that a white man will be openly discarded in favor of a minority/woman with a similar background when applying for the same job. This is…

Is it common for C-level positions? What’s the overall percentage of non white dudes as you go higher up the ladder at these places? How many of the VCs are not white men?

I ask because I think these questions are useful heuristics to look at how power is distributed within a company.

If it is a group of white guys who make most of the money, manage most of the people, and own most of the business, discriminating amongst hires of roughly equal ability for entry level roles, that is one thing, and has its own legitimate questions to be asked.

It would be pretty different from if a company, run, owned, and funded by women and people of color, was systematically discriminating against men with pale skin in all roles and positions and there were very few white guys at that company.

My informed guess would be that, in tech in the US, anything approaching what you describe describe is closer to the first scenario than the second.

Point being, if we are going to discuss discrimination, let’s discuss all of it, and not look at a painting through a microscope and call it red (unless it’s a Rothko ;) .

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by senordevnyc »

xenihn wrote: post #103
senordevnyc wrote: post #101

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I see just as many asian female engineers as white male software engineers in the bay. There’s almost no chance this is true. “White” and “male” are both overrepresented in software engineering. Would love to see the data though.

Most male engineers I see are east asian (predominantly Chinese) or Indian.

This is a little out of date, but doesn’t seem to be the case:

https://www.revealnews.org/article/heres-the-clearest-pictur...

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Post by metalforever »

senordevnyc wrote: post #30
willis936 wrote: post #18

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I feel that. Though I don’t have to live in a CA hellscape where half my paycheck has go to rent.

It’s really not that bad. I just took a job in NYC at Square making $420k my first year (though stock price increase is already pushing that closer to $500k) and my rent is $4300 for a 2 bedroom in a doorman building in manhattan. It’s expensive, but only about 10% of my gross income. Once you include my wife’s income, it’s even less of a big deal (and she makes under six figures). You might consider CA a hellscape f…

Um is this a realistic salary in NYC

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by [deleted] »

j7ake wrote: post #38
senordevnyc wrote: post #32

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When people in the US talk about disadvantaged minorities, they generally mean minorities in the US. And a bunch of white American male software engineers disclosing their salaries can definitely help black and female software engineers.

Are black and female software engineers in USA right now the demographic that really needs helping? Im not American, so I probably need clarification, but what is their current situation compared to white males in the same position at a company?

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Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by xenihn »

senordevnyc wrote: post #114
xenihn wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most male engineers I see are east asian (predominantly Chinese) or Indian.

This is a little out of date, but doesn’t seem to be the case: https://www.revealnews.org/article/heres-the-clearest-pictur...

Come see it for yourself. I can get you into a bunch of the biggest offices & campuses through friends.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by throwaway3157 »

iso1210 wrote: post #53
theredlion wrote: post #43

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That's an interesting question. I'm personally aware of several large companies in my area which, due to diversity pressure, blatantly discriminate in favor of minorities and women. The performance required from a white man in an interview for the same job is higher. That is to say that a white man will be openly discarded in favor of a minority/woman with a similar background when applying for the same job. This is…

My company did a pan-company investigation into how much people were being paid, and found that in every job title Women were being paid on average 30% less then men. With that in hand it's clear that it makes more sense to employ women.

I’ve heard 30% in another anecdote once. Was this same role or across roles? It would be hard to compare Apple to Oranges

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by K0SM0S »

komali2 wrote: post #77
quelltext wrote: post #37

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Uhm, safety nets etc. do not really offset this. That's because Europe also has higher taxes though/autodeductions. When someone in Germany casually says 50k per year pre tax, they typically mean pre deductions (tax and social/health insurance) and the effective received money is more around 25k per year. People in the US underestimate how much of ones salary a European has to give up for that safety net.

If we're going to calculate like that I think it's only fair to calculate in the average American's medical cost including insurance premiums which can put quite the dent in effective take home pay.

Everytime I look at it, the US in PPP per capita¹ is ~10th worldwide, ranking behind places like Luxembourg, Norway, Switzerland. But well above the bulk of Europe including France, Germany.

The problem when comparing is that the structure of a city-state like Luxembourg or Singapore has nothing to do with big countries; and even France or Germany are like 1/5th of the US in population, much less in area, so you can't compare much, certainly not the homogeneity.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)...

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