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Toothless fines. Indict corporate officers or employees that did it... then you’ll get change.
Also: beware what you wish for. Criminal law may allow your bloodlust to be satisfied. But it’s just as likely that the higher burden of proof it requires, and various other differences such as the 5th amendment, make prosecution difficult or impossible.
I've long believed that when companies do illegal things that would normally be punished by prison, the company should go to prison. The company office would have to operate according to the same rules as a prison. Employees on arrival are security-checked the same way prisoners would be when they arrive for the first time. Rules about talking between cells, and device use, are the same as a prison. Once you get to y…
On a factual level, I’d just like to point out that "illegal" isn’t (always) equal to "criminal“.
I've long believed that when companies do illegal things that would normally be punished by prison, the company should go to prison. The company office would have to operate according to the same rules as a prison. Employees on arrival are security-checked the same way prisoners would be when they arrive for the first time. Rules about talking between cells, and device use, are the same as a prison. Once you get to y…
Yeah, you should maybe work on whatever causes these revenge phantasies. It doesn’t seem healthy. On a factual level, I’d just like to point out that "illegal" isn’t (always) equal to "criminal“.
Imagine someone time traveled here from 30 years ago first learning what cell phones are then seeing this headline. Why is this even debatable?
Boiling frog syndrome.
i'm not sure what our excuse is, however.
I've long believed that when companies do illegal things that would normally be punished by prison, the company should go to prison. The company office would have to operate according to the same rules as a prison. Employees on arrival are security-checked the same way prisoners would be when they arrive for the first time. Rules about talking between cells, and device use, are the same as a prison. Once you get to y…
Yeah, you should maybe work on whatever causes these revenge phantasies. It doesn’t seem healthy. On a factual level, I’d just like to point out that "illegal" isn’t (always) equal to "criminal“.
If, for example, _I_ collected and then gave away to a business connection personal information on 87 million people - you can bet I'd be fined more than ~1% of my nett worth for it, and probably spend time in jail too..
Companies continually getting away with shady shit with zero or insignificant consequences are the "cause" of such "revenge phantasies". Suggesting ways to stop that seems like a valid thing to work on...
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Boiling frog syndrome.
The saying is cute, but it's important to note that the frog had to be lobotomized to stay in despite the slow change. i'm not sure what our excuse is, however.
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You don’t have to knowingly break the law to be criminally charged. If you’re in a position where a law might apply, you should do your due diligence or get legal counsel sign off. Selling private location data should easily cause a competent executive to think twice and confirm it’s okay.
Why do you think corporate counsel didn't sign off on this?
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> Unless they knowingly and intentionally broke criminal law, that's completely over the top and unnecessary. Why? If I drive drunk and a cop pulls me over, lack of knowledge is no defense. As the head of a company, why is a lack of knowledge of the goings-on of the company a defense? If you don't know the goings-on when you are in a position to, at the very least that should be categorized as criminally negligent.
Its like making a mayor liable for the crimes of their city’s residents, after a certain scale it just becomes stupid. Now if the mayor pushes for the crime or doesn’t put policy forbidding the crime, that is a different story.
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They (NSA / govt) still warehouse it. They just don’t access it without a warrant. That is the current legal fiction they operate the surveillance state under.
NSA monitors foreign traffic.
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They (NSA / govt) still warehouse it. They just don’t access it without a warrant. That is the current legal fiction they operate the surveillance state under.
They were once caught doing that, which caused a shit show. It doesn't mean they are currently doing that. Maybe they are, I don't know, and neither does you, asserting that they do it only spreads panic and misinformation
Edit: start with Hayden. They admitted exactly how it all works and what the judges allowed. Read up on the many EFF lawsuits that were shut down.