U.S. wants the EU to accept chemical-washed chicken as part of trade deal

Post by Zenst » Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 6:21 PM UTC

driverdan wrote: post #106

sharkmerry wrote: post #51

Some stats. EU - ~500 Million people. "In the EU, over 91,000 salmonellosis cases are reported each year." [1] US. ~330 Million People. "CDC estimates Salmonella bacteria cause about 1.35 million infections, 26,500 hospitalizations, and 420 deaths in the United States every year. Food is the source for most of these illnesses." [2] 1- https://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/topics/topic/salmonella 2- https://www.cdc.gov/salmon…

This is a great misuse of data and not relevant as presented. Perhaps the US has a significantly higher per capita consumption of Salmonella infection vectors. Perhaps people in the US are less clean in ways that increase infections. Perhaps EU cases are under reported.

Post by joecool1029 » Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 6:22 PM UTC

atoav wrote: post #96

joecool1029 wrote: post #53

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>Sure, lets all just drink hydrogen peroxide. I use hydrogen peroxide to disinfect contact lenses. It neutralizes into water and oxygen in the presence of a catalyst. It would do that over a long enough period when exposed to air. I linked a paper in the thread elsewhere that shows the same decay for the chicken washes. Using peroxide as a lens disinfectant has advantages over other multi-purpose solutions which caus…

This is about something else. If you are allowed to clean meat that aggressively it usually means what passes as good enough to be sold has a lower standard. Or the other way around: because we in the EU can't use these methods the whole supply chain and quality control has to be much much stricter to deal with this. We can't just dip the thing in chlorine and assume it is clean now.

Post by axlee » Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 6:24 PM UTC

Will_Parker wrote: post #71

jfengel wrote: post #37

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I think they're saying that poor people shouldn't be coerced by a subsidy system to eat food that has to be chemically treated to remove pathogens, and which causes animal suffering which most people would reject if it weren't kept hidden. There are plenty of ways for poor people to eat healthy diets without harming animals. It's a perverse incentive of the system that grows vast quantities of poor-quality corn and s…

> The US in particular is wedded to the notion that meat is essential and primary food, and it set up its entire agriculture industry to making that cheap Nothing is particular about the US here, humans are omnivores whose optimal diet for health contains both meat and plants.

Post by jaksawesome » Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 6:26 PM UTC

antr wrote: post #6

brummm wrote: post #2

I really hope the EU will not allow this kind of US meat into the EU market...

If the EU doesn't the UK will

Post by bluGill » Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 6:26 PM UTC

ubercow13 wrote: post #85

DiffEq wrote: post #34

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BUT....what if it isn't clean? One worker can infect a whole host of chickens and there is no mitigation that will stop it before it is consumed except for the hope that it is cooked properly. Besides, the "chemical washing" is not chlorine anymore it is just vinegar (What many people put on chicken to eat anyway). So ideally you would have clean farms, clean processing and clean storage and then the consumer would p…

So why aren't the Americans showing us how clean their farms are, instead of going on about this vinegar strawman?