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DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

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Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

#111

Reminder that this exists, which is a Software Engineering MSc from a reasonably well-known uni, that you're meant to do while working: http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/softeng/ all-in cost was something like £25,000 for me including accommodation, and they're open minded about accepting people without undergraduate degrees. EDIT: happy to answer questions by email

> they're open minded about accepting people without undergraduate degrees https://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/graduate/courses/msc-compute... > As a minimum, applicants should hold or be predicted to achieve the equivalent of the following UK qualifications: > a first-class undergraduate degree with honours in a subject with a significant component of mathematics and/or computing. So, is an undergraduate degree required…

> A typical applicant will have at least two years' experience in a professional environment, and an undergraduate degree in a related subject. However, more extensive experience may compensate for a lack of formal qualifications, and a strong, immediately-relevant qualification may compensate for a lack of professional experience.

http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/softeng/study/apply.html

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

#112

Reminder that this exists, which is a Software Engineering MSc from a reasonably well-known uni, that you're meant to do while working: http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/softeng/ all-in cost was something like £25,000 for me including accommodation, and they're open minded about accepting people without undergraduate degrees. EDIT: happy to answer questions by email

> they're open minded about accepting people without undergraduate degrees https://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/graduate/courses/msc-compute... > As a minimum, applicants should hold or be predicted to achieve the equivalent of the following UK qualifications: > a first-class undergraduate degree with honours in a subject with a significant component of mathematics and/or computing. So, is an undergraduate degree required…

You have linked to the page for the full-time MSc in Computer Science, which is a different course with different requirements.

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know you’re downvoted for saying something that’s basically unethical, but I’m interested: how do you propose to buy a home using this strategy? All cash? In my area, I’d need around $200,000 cash. I know there’s trailer parks and etc. but they may not work for everyone.

I don't think it is unethical. If people get overwhelmed by student debt because their degree doesn't actually result in job opportunities that allow them to pay that debt back then they have no obligation to pay the debt back. It was the lender's decision to invest their money into such an obviously money losing strategy and yet they did so despite the high risk. The word "undischargeable" made the lender blind but…

> It was the lender's decision to invest their money into such an obviously money losing strategy and yet they did so despite the high risk.

I have 100k+ of unsecured credit available to me at any given time. If I go and spend that on hookers and blow is that the lenders fault or mine?

I believe the lack of personal responsibility is problem that will not be fixed by absolving even more responsibility.

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

#115

Does having a degree matter for majority of developer roles? I've gone down the apprenticeship route (UK) and went into web development. Getting a degree would be very unlikely to affect my chances of getting a job (should I move away from freelancing), or a higher salary, not everywhere, but probably 9/10 places. Keen to hear other experiences and opinions

Web dev is different from others, but I think that it's not a huge help. Or at least, a comp sci degree isn't going to help too much. Web dev is more about presenting content than about "serious comp sci stuff". A comp sci degree is useful if you need to work a job where you have to remember which sub-type of trie is best for such and such data.

That said, you can learn just fine without a degree. Much of what I learned, especially the stuff that most developers use, was before college. The biggest barrier is that many employers consider college a test of "not being a fruit loop", but if you've got work experience, that should help overcome the barrier.

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

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post #86

Great idea, it's a shame that they had to add this 50/50 nonsense. I know a lot of guy that would kill for that opportunity.

And I know a lot of women who have been successful graduates of the program, what's your point?

I suspect that they would not be if there would be an equal opportunity. Not giving people a chance just because of ideology is despicable. That's my point.

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

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post #34

This looks a lot more like an apprenticeship to me than a degree. Which I think is fantastic, Universities are generally terrible at teaching practical skills and fantastic at teaching theory.

This is what RIT has always been about, where you MUST complete PAID cooperative education for degree credits. Typically after year 2, you're going to school some semesters, and then working the other semesters at a company in your field. It's a great stepping stone to get into the workforce

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

#119
It's wonderful to see this on the front page. I'm currently a student at the Lassonde School of Engineering at York University studying software engineering and heavily involved in the school community.

The Lassonde School of Engineering opened 8 years ago with a fervour for Innovation and Entrepreneurship. I suggest folks give the school a Google search as it has rapidly developed to become a phenomenonal environment with its own startup incubator and entrepreneurshi' degree with courses from VCs. I digress, but feel free to ask me any more questions about the school.

The dev degree program started its first cohort last year actually and it now is in its second year.

It is structured so students work 20 hours a week at Shopify and take 3 courses per semester at school. Students are required to work and go to school through the summer which allows them to complete the degree in the standard four years.

My peers in the program have I said great things. One of the key parts of the program is how one switches between different teams to get a better understanding of the software engineering landscape. Moreover the mentorship is very helpful and not only developing your technical skills by yourself skills.

One question that students and parents asked me a lot is if there is a requirement to work at Shopify following the completion of the program. Luckily Shopify has made it clear that they will not be expecting students to stay once they complete their degree, but it is my intuition that many people from the program will stay on after their large time investment into the Shopify ecosystem.

Overall, I would have entered this program myself for it for engineering students as well. Sadly, the program is restricted to computer science students as the Canadian accreditation requirements for engineering are not fulfilled while in the dev degree program.

Although people may say "why do you need a degree?", it is difficult to find a job without the qualification of showing your ability to complete post-secondary in a field of candidates that did.

With initiatives such as Silicon Valley trip for students run by the Lassonde co-op Department, I am sure that lassonde will continue to innovate and engage students in meaningful ways beyond the traditional methods.

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

#120

Says $160,000 salary. I’m guessing that’s total over the 4 years, so $40k CAD per year. Still a great deal.

40000 Canadian per year is correct. You are given vacation days and are expected to work like a salaried employee. Plus they cover the tuition which is approximately 10 thousand a year after fees.

Source: Lassonde student (where the dev degree program exists)

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