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Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by idlewords »

malvosenior wrote: post #106
geofft wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a very strange definition of "faultless record." Shall we elevate the Ashley Madison password leakers to the same level of folk hero? What about a VPN that spies on its users - they never publish anything false, so any persecution is unfair, right?

We're talking about two different things. The grandparent said that Assange hasn't had to make any retractions and hasn't published any false info. This is undeniably true. They also said "like him or not". Not everyone likes the outcome of his leaks. Many do. Many like some, but not others. Regardless, he's had a major impact on politics based on very true information Wikileaks has made available to the public. If t…

The grandparent said Wikileaks has a faultless record, which they don't. The rest is special pleading.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by foldr »

megous wrote: post #92
foldr wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's in custody awaiting his extradition hearing, which is perfectly normal. (Do we need to explain why granting Assange bail would probably be a bad idea?)

Perfectly normal is a bit of a stretch here, right? Unless you mean that putting accused people to solitary confinement (while waiting for a trial) for extended periods of time is perfectly normal in UK.

It's normal given that they cannot grant him bail, and that it's difficult to keep high profile prisoners in custody together with others.

There is no pleasing Assange supporters, though. If they'd stuck him in with a bunch of other people, you'd probably be complaining about that instead.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by Pfhreak »

sokoloff wrote: post #93
cardamomo wrote: post #83

*her

Genuine question: what is the most correct protocol on name and pronoun usage to describe past events, when the author wants to keep the focus on the fact of the accomplishment rather than the personal life of the actor? Is it: 1. Bruce Jenner won his gold medal in the Men’s Decathlon at the 1976 Olympics. 2. Bruce Jenner won her gold medal in the Men’s Decathlon at the 1976 Olympics. 3. Caitlyn Jenner won her gold m…

Using the current name and pronouns is correct. If required, you could use "nee Bruce", but it's considered pretty rude unless that person has given the Ok.

So, sentence three is the most polite, but depending on the subject of the article, you may need to offer context at the top or in a footnote.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by malvosenior »

idlewords wrote: post #111
malvosenior wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're talking about two different things. The grandparent said that Assange hasn't had to make any retractions and hasn't published any false info. This is undeniably true. They also said "like him or not". Not everyone likes the outcome of his leaks. Many do. Many like some, but not others. Regardless, he's had a major impact on politics based on very true information Wikileaks has made available to the public. If t…

The grandparent said Wikileaks has a faultless record, which they don't. The rest is special pleading.

The grandparent very clearly defined what they mean by that. Assange hasn't had to make any retractions.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by foldr »

MiroF wrote: post #98
megous wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perfectly normal is a bit of a stretch here, right? Unless you mean that putting accused people to solitary confinement (while waiting for a trial) for extended periods of time is perfectly normal in UK.

It's not and the vast vast majority of those sentenced to under a year (even for skipping bail) are released in 2/3 time as per sentencing guidelines in the UK. Unsure why so many people are invested in arguing that this is just the routine functioning of the law when it certainly isn't

>It's not and the vast vast majority of those sentenced to under a year (even for skipping bail) are released in 2/3 time as per sentencing guidelines in the UK.

He's already served his time. He's currently being detained prior to his extradition hearing:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49689167

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by threeseed »

droithomme wrote: post #81
sixQuarks wrote: post #42

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From what I've researched, the Hillary emails were most likely from an internal source.

Correct. Former Ambassador Craig Murray has stated that a disgruntled DNC employee, unhappy with the treatment of Sanders, personally gave him the emails in Washington and he couriered the emails to his friend Assange who then published them. And as has been pointed out the Podesta emails were taken through a phishing email which was sent to thousands of people (so it wasn't spear phishing) and which he foolishly fel…

Craig Murray's statements are highly disputed and some of them are just plain ridiculous e.g. you can't transfer data to Russian servers at > 6MB/s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Murray

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by prepend »

threeseed wrote: post #100
benologist wrote: post #78

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Assange broke US laws that he was never subject to, as an Australian living in Europe.

That's not how the entire fabric of international law works though. Citizenship and postal address are irrelevant. If you break the law in another country and there is an extradition treaty then you will face the consequences.

So if I buy something from a Saudi Arabian e-commerce site am I at risk for extradition from Ireland to Saudi Arabia for the capital offense of being gay?

Clearly I was gay while doing stuff online on a Saudi Arabian server.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by CrazyStat »

mike_hock wrote: post #72
rapsey wrote: post #39

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Yeah but that could also just as well be random data.

The fact that he's being poisoned to death with sedatives suggests that at least his adversaries believe so.

I'm not remotely convinced of that "fact" at this point.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by peteretep »

forgetfulusr wrote: post #104
scient wrote: post #43

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What moral act? Working for Russia and helping them push their agenda - willingly or out of ignorance? You are blind if you thing Assange and Wikileaks was some kind of a knight for truth.

Hmm, maybe if our 'fourth estate' actually wasn't the govs bitch, Assange's org wouldn't have looked so moral. But here we are.

Your point and the publication of Snowden’s material by the mainstream media can’t both be true

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by jibcage »

sokoloff wrote: post #93
cardamomo wrote: post #83

*her

Genuine question: what is the most correct protocol on name and pronoun usage to describe past events, when the author wants to keep the focus on the fact of the accomplishment rather than the personal life of the actor? Is it: 1. Bruce Jenner won his gold medal in the Men’s Decathlon at the 1976 Olympics. 2. Bruce Jenner won her gold medal in the Men’s Decathlon at the 1976 Olympics. 3. Caitlyn Jenner won her gold m…

“Caitlyn Jenner, then known as Bruce, won her gold medal in the Men’s Decathlon at the 1976 Olympics.”
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