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Re: Escaping San Francisco

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Post by keerthiko »

csomar wrote: post #54
keerthiko wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the cliche transplants from SF to NYC: The lack of concrete jungle, and that desire from people both who predated the tech deluge and those who arrived because of it (like you are planning to be) is precisely why it has become as bad as the blogs make it to be. I think some things are not as bad as the blogs make it be, and many things a lot worse. In the latter category: - there is now a "fire season". Yes, t…

> - the tourist industry is dying. People used to visit and fall in love with SF. Now, they get embarrassed about the state of the city (the more obvious stuff like homelessness, cost of living, filth) and leave trying to forget about this city. Not true. From https://www.sftravel.com/article/san-francisco-travel-report... > San Francisco Travel is reporting a total of 25.8 million visitors to the city in 2018 (with…

One can argue conferences and conventions and business travel is still tourism, but not the kind that comes to appreciate the city, people, culture or history. SF will remain a destination for the starry-eyed tech grad and entrepreneur despite everything, that is not what I am commenting to here.

As for total spending, 2.3% is not even inflation in a normal place, let alone the most rapidly inflating city in the world. If you adjust for 2017 vs 2018 dollars, that is definitely a decline. By my estimate the cost of most things a visitor would spend on has gone up by at least 5% on average between those years (as the report you link posted, hotels up by 6%, and airbnbs up by far more than that, and similarly with ticketed entries, transportation and food).

This report paints a far rosier picture than what is actually happening when you account for the rate at which prices of things tourists pay for are going up relative to the tourism revenue numbers themselves.

More viscerally, if you live in SF for 2-3 years and hang around tourist spots often enough, you can just feel this viscerally as the lines outside shops have shrunk, numerous shopkeeps are just dusting their shelves with no customers, and gifts look unpurchased for years.

Re: Escaping San Francisco

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Post by [deleted] »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #110
danenania wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of those neighborhoods are downtown... the others have some issues but aren't what people are referring to when they say "dystopian nightmare". That's mainly just Tenderloin/Soma/Civic Center, and a bit that radiates into adjoining neighborhoods from there. Moderate homelessness is sadly an issue in any large Western city, so if you want to avoid it completely, you'll have to go to a smaller city or the suburbs…

Most of those neighborhoods are downtown None of those neighborhoods are downtown, check a map. Whoever did the wikipedia box lumps SOMA and TL in with little alleyways in the Financial District (a.k.a. downtown) that they're trying to pass off as neighborhoods. the others have some issues Some issues? When I was working in Potrero we had a bike chop shop right behind the building and 3-4 encampments within a 2 minut…

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Re: Escaping San Francisco

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Post by candiodari »

CPLX wrote: post #28

This article is literally nonsense, it’s at the same level of medical rigor as an anti-vax rant, and appears to be crafted intentionally to get people susceptible to this kind of narrative to give them money. I can’t believe it’s being taken seriously here.

Mold can definitely cause long-term medical symptoms. People not realizing this is happening because they're cheaping out is also not that rare.

Re: Escaping San Francisco

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Post by sizzle »

"We are both suffering from lingering neurological damage, chronic fungal infections on our skin, GIs, sinuses, and even my ear canals. I’ve even lost some hearing (possibly permanently) in my left ear. Our health and immune systems are still compromised and we need regular access to a low EMF infrared sauna, hyperbaric oxygen chambers, and may even need stem cells to make a full recovery so we can regain our stamina, mental faculties, get married, and hopefully if we still can, have children. The clock is ticking on our recovery so we can try to have children and we simply can’t wait or rely on the possibility of the courts to rule in our favor a year or two from now."

Gonna need to see some peer reviewed medical journal citations regarding effects of mold in humans to take any of these claims seriously.

"low EMF infrared sauna, hyperbaric oxygen chambers, stem cells..."

Stem cells?!... to treat what exactly?

You can't exactly stroll into a pharmacy with an Rx for a petri dish of freshly harvested stem cells for self administered intracerebral injection.

Re: Escaping San Francisco

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Post by csomar »

keerthiko wrote: post #111
csomar wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - the tourist industry is dying. People used to visit and fall in love with SF. Now, they get embarrassed about the state of the city (the more obvious stuff like homelessness, cost of living, filth) and leave trying to forget about this city. Not true. From https://www.sftravel.com/article/san-francisco-travel-report... > San Francisco Travel is reporting a total of 25.8 million visitors to the city in 2018 (with…

One can argue conferences and conventions and business travel is still tourism, but not the kind that comes to appreciate the city, people, culture or history. SF will remain a destination for the starry-eyed tech grad and entrepreneur despite everything, that is not what I am commenting to here. As for total spending, 2.3% is not even inflation in a normal place, let alone the most rapidly inflating city in the worl…

Inflation for 2018 was 1.9% in the US. So that's still above inflation but also the number of visitors have increased. You should also probably take into account that the city is saturated and thus there isn't any room for growth. (which kinda of the equivalent of the city costs inflating more than the average city in the US).

> you can just feel this viscerally as the lines outside shops have shrunk, numerous shopkeeps are just dusting their shelves with no customers, and gifts look unpurchased for years.

Or maybe consumers are changing their behaviors for lack of a better word. It never made sense to me, why, as a tourist I should go shop through the city stores. The brands are the same back home, the prices are x2 what you pay in Amazon and the logistics are not that great (flight/taxis/trains/bags/etc...)

I don't think tourism is dying in SF or any city in the world (Tourism growth is so strong that even if you are a sucker-city you'll still beat records) but there is little value-added in these shops that tourists will stop and drop $$ at them.

Re: Escaping San Francisco

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Post by kevmo »

SuperPaintMan wrote: post #74
kevmo wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. It's very unfortunate. Millions and millions of people are walking around with treatable problems in the USA. We have a severe public health crisis, but the billionaires have a strangehold on our media and politics.

I'm very curious as to why this is being downvote so heavily. They're not wrong. Among other reasons, the healthcare situation is one reason I would not consider taking a job in the US.

I'm being downvoted and flagged because many folks reading the comment make their money off the described status quo.

Re: Escaping San Francisco

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