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Re: PinePhone Review

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Post by Mashimo »

Mathnerd314 wrote: post #58
pjmlp wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The countless commercial failures of such projects since OpenMoko proves otherwise.

OpenMoko isn't really dead, or at least the kernel isn't: http://git.goldelico.com/?p=letux-kernel.git;a=summary Netscape was a commercial failure but Mozilla is still around. Similarly Blender only went open-source after a crowdfunding campaign. CyanogenMod is another interesting example, mostly open source and mostly successful until it started trying to commercialize the code. I think the community ends up being a…

Hol up .. I have a OpenMoko. Never really used. I can install linux with an up to date Kernel on it? Neat. I wonder what I can do with it.

Re: PinePhone Review

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Post by Mashimo »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #38
pjmlp wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The countless commercial failures of such projects since OpenMoko proves otherwise.

Openmoko sold 13000 phones, which is much more than "dozens." Commercial failure does not necessarily mean you can fit all the customers in a room.

Got one. Never really used it. It was not reliable.

Re: PinePhone Review

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Post by wott »

ncmncm wrote: post #81

Why do these things (pine, librem) have so much trouble producing audio? It seems like that would have been one of the first things to have got working.

The Linux platform is really really really not famous for the convenience, ease of use, stability and reliability of its audio stack. Or of its stack of audio stacks, actually...

Re: PinePhone Review

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Post by valvar »

dmitriid wrote: post #106
Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft couldn't do it because everyone new (of the users) that even if they put in their effort to switch and wait for the ecosystem to grow, they will end up with just the same crap: another closed-source monopoly with it's own quirks. We won't have just two overlords, but instead 3 of the same. Wow such a difference... Now an truly open system might make a difference. Not saying it will, it has it's own problems…

You greatly overestimate the number of users who care about how closed or how open an ecosystem is. If the user can't interact with their bank, whatchu YouTube, talk to their friends and parents over Snapchat or Skype, call Uber, play Spotify, etc etc etc, it doesn't matter in the least if your phone is 100% open source. Microsoft had sunk billions into trying to get the ecosystem off the ground. What makes you think…

The target audience isn't people who need to use Skype, Snapchat, or Uber. But I'm sure it will be possible to run some of those android apps through anbox. Spotify has a Linux client, and for YouTube there's the FreeTube client, which actually protects users' integrity.

Re: PinePhone Review

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Post by zdkl »

dmitriid wrote: post #106
Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft couldn't do it because everyone new (of the users) that even if they put in their effort to switch and wait for the ecosystem to grow, they will end up with just the same crap: another closed-source monopoly with it's own quirks. We won't have just two overlords, but instead 3 of the same. Wow such a difference... Now an truly open system might make a difference. Not saying it will, it has it's own problems…

You greatly overestimate the number of users who care about how closed or how open an ecosystem is. If the user can't interact with their bank, whatchu YouTube, talk to their friends and parents over Snapchat or Skype, call Uber, play Spotify, etc etc etc, it doesn't matter in the least if your phone is 100% open source. Microsoft had sunk billions into trying to get the ecosystem off the ground. What makes you think…

(Hopefully) Ease and flexibility of development for 3rd party applications?

Re: PinePhone Review

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Post by spurgu »

mttyng wrote: post #64

God, I want to mess around with one of these so, so, sooo badly. But with a 14 month-old toddling around the house it would probably end up just sitting, untouched, for a indeterminate amount of time. But still...

Toddlers like smartphones!

Re: PinePhone Review

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Post by spurgu »

tomger wrote: post #57

Now if they’d create an iPhone SE sized one... I’d have enough passion to figure out how to run Linux on it ;)

This! I am so sad to see that practically all mobile devices on the market right now are 5+ inches. I could even go with 5, which is considered "small" nowadays, but PinePhone and Librem5 are 5.95" and 5.7" respectively. Why did phablets become the norm, at least give us a choice... :(

Re: PinePhone Review

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Post by hellotomyrars »

The phone he always wanted is a phone that basically doesn’t work at all? Like, not even as an equivalence to a typical smartphone, but even a dumb phone?

I also yearn for a FOSS/Linux phone, and it feels like we’re getting closer, bit I feel like the author is fooling themself a bit.

Re: PinePhone Review

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Post by boomlinde »

miohtama wrote: post #56

Maybe it could be called a 3G modem platform instead of a phone. To write UI software for a modern phone takes 150+ full time engineers in my experience. Only few organisations have this capability and this is why these things will never be phones people use.

> To write UI software for a modern phone takes 150+ full time engineers in my experience.

That's a bit like saying that you have to drive 150 km/h to get to Paris. What's the time budget? Where are they now? What are the goals? Surely you can imagine ways that the answers to these questions can vary enough between commercial and open source community projects that saying that you need 150+ engineers is a meaningless statement on its own.

Re: PinePhone Review

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Post by mouldysammich »

ge96 wrote: post #72

My concerns are: resting ram usage, could I decrease if I could run like a tiling manager(with some main buttons). And can it run on virgin mobile/cheap networks like that edit: holy crap this sway thing may be the i3 hmm, next question would be can you attach it to a big monitor + keyboard/mouse through the USB C

I think hdmi out is supposed to work, according to a blog post from a few months ago anyway.

https://www.pine64.org/2019/06/06/june-2019-news-pinephone-p...

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