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I'd have more sympathy for critiques of feminism (and similar policies designed to help minorities) if even basic indices of equality like pay for equal work were fixed, and there wasn't clear evidence of discrimination on grounds of gender in interviewing, police treatment etc.

In your opinion, is that viewpoint shared by a plurality or majority of what we can loosely define as the feminist crowd and adherents? Admittedly, I don't have a big world-shattering new point to add or logical argument to segue to based on the results of the question, I'm just curious.

I'm from sweden, and I would say that the answer is "yes" over here.

When actually talking to people that is, but if I instead looked at social media, tabloids and tv-talkshows, I would only find extremes.

Re: Why Kids Love Garbage Trucks

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I've been thinking about being a garbage man (not the truck driver) for one day a week. Physical work, outside, and it seems your mind could subconsciously work on the big problems in the rest of your life while doing it.

Everybody hates a tourist.

The New Zealand agricultural industry seems to run mainly on tourists (young rich kids on work-and-travel visa) and it's working just fine.

I actually think it's a great idea, because most of the jobs are not very attractive or well-paid, easy to learn and an adventure/fun for about one summer. It wouldn't work for many places, but for New Zealand it works.

Re: Why Kids Love Garbage Trucks

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Except that many girls are made to feel abnormal for expressing an interest in stereotypically male activities (as are boys in reverse). The key is to acknowledge first that our society is incredibly gendered (and racist) in ways we often oblivious to.

I've never studied parenting across the country, and I acknowledge that there are definitely cultures around the world where women are treated like property, but I've never witnessed a parent enforcing some gender stereotype for toys. It's hard to imagine a parent even caring what toy a kid is playing with, unless they are hurting someone.

Then your experience and your imagination are rather limited.

Just a few quotes from /r/Parenting:

"BUT his dad had a conniption when he found out that I bought him a baby doll and he thinks that he should not play with “girl” toys." https://www.reddit.com/r/Parenting/comments/b403o6/how_do_yo...

"A lot of adults (men, women, young, old) make snarky comments in my son's presence about his toy selections (doll houses, play kitchen sets)." https://www.reddit.com/r/Parenting/comments/b403o6/how_do_yo...

"Now, my husband generally doesn't mind that my step-son plays Barbies or dollies with his sister. However, he draws the line at actually buying "girl" toys for him." https://www.reddit.com/r/Parenting/comments/53p1ut/boys_and_...

"I'm constantly reminded my girl isn't very "girly". At times I'm even asked whatever I'm concerned about her enjoy so many "boy's things"" https://www.reddit.com/r/Parenting/comments/2ke89r/parents_w...

Re: Why Kids Love Garbage Trucks

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I've seen little girls chasing the pigeons on a few occasions, so ... no longer sure about the hunter/gatherer aspect of this.

I guess arcaic females also did hunting. Like wolfs and cats. Mens physical strength is probably from fighting other men not prey?

It's almost like you can make up whatever bullshit story you like to dress up your personally preferred gender roles as "we evolved that way so it's just a biological FACT".

Re: Why Kids Love Garbage Trucks

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This didn't address my favorite theory: that (some) kids are programmed to learn as much as they can about the nearby megafauna, and in this world the closest approximation is these big garbage/fire/construction vehicles.

Such evolutionary just-so stories can be used to explain anything and there is no way to falsify them. However, just applying common sense: Wouldn't it be more beneficial for their survival if kids were programmed to stay away from megafauna? It might eat them or step on them.

How do you know how to stay away from something if you don’t understand it? It’s big enough that it can come to you in the middle of you doing something else. Best to know what habits of its might make that happen.

That, and the megafauna that have existed alongside humans have pretty much always been herbivorous mammals. Mammals seem to be universally capable of recognizing which members of another mammal species are children of that species, and are less wary around them, and tend to (for the herbivores) even be intentionally gentle toward them. Mothers of many mammalian species even choose to adopt and care for orphaned children of other mammalian species that don’t look particularly like their own species (and I’ve never heard of this happening with a non-human mammal mother adopting a non-mammal, or a non-mammal adopting anything, so AFAIK it seems to be mostly a “mammal thing.“)

Of course, this same awareness of child-ness leads the carnivorous mammals to think of another species’ children as easy prey. I think humans do have an instinctual understanding of the difference between a herbivorous/“friendly”-looking species, and a carnivorous/“predator”-looking species, and human children do seem to have much less of a desire to attempt to wander up to lions or Tasmanian devils than they do to approach e.g. elephants or giraffes (or horses or cows, for that matter.) And even the kids that love dinosaurs certainly have very little compulsion to approach crocodiles, snakes, or birds of prey. They might think they’re cool—but there’s a component of fear to that admiration.

Humans don’t seem to have any instincts to avoid approaching omnivorous megafauna, and that’s seemingly a hit-or-miss proposition, but maybe this is where the perception-of-child-ness thing comes most into play. An adult human definitely shouldn’t provoke a gorilla or a bear, because an adult human is a viable threat to them, one they feel they have to respond to; but a human child won’t be as easily read as a threat, and might just be ignored, the same way humans don’t really worry about gorilla infants or bear cubs getting near us. (That, and there just aren’t that many omnivorous megafauna, so maybe we don’t have any instincts about them.)

Re: Why Kids Love Garbage Trucks

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I thought that getting to ride on the outside of a vehicle was the coolest thing ever.

now I remember why I liked it as a kid. Hanging on to the back of the truck is super cool. I grew up in 3rd world country where adults can hang up in Public Utility transports and it was seen as cool. Parents obv don't allow you to do it since its dangerous so I thought it's cool if your job gets to ride at the back of a truck.

Re: Why Kids Love Garbage Trucks

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I loved street sweepers as a kid and would always rush to the window to watch them go across our city street. I loved the idea of taking away trash/dirtyness, something about that simple purpose was cool. It was easy to understand, unlike business or insurance (what my dad did)

Re: Why Kids Love Garbage Trucks

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This is fun. I grew up on the other side of the world (albeit a "western" culture), and was also amazed by garbage trucks from the day I remember. The whole lift/squash mechanism, their bright orange color (in our parts), the ease by which they lift the containers, the colored control lights/buttons on the side which the cleaners use to operate the lift, the blinkers. And made funny noises. It was something straight…

I'm a full grown adult and I'm working on self-driving cars. For a special project we had to put amber flashing lights on one. Just like the ones they had on garbage trucks where I have grown up. Totally unreasonably, but I was giddy with excitement when I first turned the lights on. That was probably the closest I will ever get to my childhood dream of becoming a garbage truck driver.

I'm just throwing this out there but you can buy a used garbage truck online right now if you wanted to. Some start at ~40k.

Re: Why Kids Love Garbage Trucks

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post #35
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This is fun. I grew up on the other side of the world (albeit a "western" culture), and was also amazed by garbage trucks from the day I remember. The whole lift/squash mechanism, their bright orange color (in our parts), the ease by which they lift the containers, the colored control lights/buttons on the side which the cleaners use to operate the lift, the blinkers. And made funny noises. It was something straight…

I'm a full grown adult and I'm working on self-driving cars. For a special project we had to put amber flashing lights on one. Just like the ones they had on garbage trucks where I have grown up. Totally unreasonably, but I was giddy with excitement when I first turned the lights on. That was probably the closest I will ever get to my childhood dream of becoming a garbage truck driver.

well if you help program self-driving garbage trucks, you'd technically be a driver for _every_ garbage truck

Re: Why Kids Love Garbage Trucks

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Wow, parent comment and this one summing up what often turn into X000 comment flame wars that dang has to bag up and send out to the flag truck, now that is a feat of summarization. > Overwhelmingly the feminist position that's pushed to the fore is "any lack of equal representation of females in a roles that're desirable is down to patriarchal actions and unrelated to any natural differences between the sexes; which…

I'd have more sympathy for critiques of feminism (and similar policies designed to help minorities) if even basic indices of equality like pay for equal work were fixed, and there wasn't clear evidence of discrimination on grounds of gender in interviewing, police treatment etc.

In the UK equal pay for equal work is a legal requirement, and many women have successfully sued for it.

"Equal pay" statistics here purposefully ignore choice of occupation. Also the equal pay stats show (or did last year, they're put out monthly) that even ignoring occupational variations women under 30 got almost the same pay as men, and indeed that men lag behind women in wages for part-time work. I strongly suspect of you discount upper management that you'd find wages very equal -- in which case it's primarily an issue of wealth gap, so not really about sexual disparities in the general population but about sexual disparities in the C-suite (still an issue if there are artificial barriers there based on sex) but it might be busy as hard to break in for someone of the wrong class as anything else.

Which might make harping on "equal pay" (which we have) move focus away from the primary factor of income disparity.

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